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Putting Together A Set Of MS Lincoln Cents

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I am in the process of putting together a set of mint state red Lincoln cents. 1946 through 2017 has been pretty easy to acquire and easy on the wallet. I have been working backwards from the present to the beginning of the series.

I've heard from 2 different sources (Q. David Bowers and Charles Morgan) that when putting together a set, it's best to start with the most expensive coins in the series and then assemble the rest of the collection around them.

My understanding of this theory is that, for example, if the most I can afford to spend on a 1914 D cent is $2,000, the best example I will find would possibly be MS61 BN. If the rest of my set is between MS63 RD and MS66 RD, the 1914 D would, somehow, bring down the appeal of the set. (Please don't get caught up on this specific example. It is your opinion on the general theory that interests me.)

That is my understanding and I think I have it right, but I could be mistaken. I frequently am.

Does anyone else subscribed to this theory?

Do you, personally, start your sets with the most expensive coins in the series?

Am I doing it wrong, or is this a case of "It's your set. Put it together any way you want."?

I hope to hear from as many experienced numismatists as possible and spark an insightful debate conversation.
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03/12/2018 10:09 am
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I think you are in for a lifelong adventure. The main concern will probably money.
Second would be patience, third would be luck.
Anything is available if you are willing and able to pay the price.
Personally, I just settle for the best I can get in assembling a set and I can live with some expensive issues that aren't perfect. I just get the best I can afford.
One thing about red cents that always scared me is that eventually they may spot or tone anyway depending on the environment they are stored.
Good luck with that quest.
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The most expensive coins tend to go up over time. So getting them earlier may make some cents (pun intended).

But salaries and wages tend to go up so getting them later could be the only option.

It typically buy what I can afford and then update later. At some point I consider the set complete and will not update further. Within the last year I completed my Washington quarters with the lowest grade at around AU58. I will not update them further unless someone is giving away a higher grade.
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I just get the best I can afford.


'nuff said.
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'nuff said

Even if a MS Set of Lincolns was ALL I ever collected would I ever shy of massive winnings be able to pay that piper. So far, I have never paid over $138 for any one single coin, and I refuse to do so. That said, the ONLY coin I lack of an absolute Lincoln set 1909-present including proofs and varieties 1954 on is the unobtanium 1909S-VDB. That hole, because I can't afford it will be filled eventually by a nice Chinese fake shortly!

My meager funds do allow me to buy mint and proof sets in quantity and put together a guite decent set of the other denominations so that at least, 1965 through 2009 will be MS/PF. I like the completed sets, nice but not necessarily show-stopping, the collection is yours, you have to enjoy it even after you complete it, or you'll wind up selling it.
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My way of thinking is just the reverse. I think the best method is to start with what ever you can afford. And if that is closer to a modern date, so be it. Actually if you had the money, you could go to a large coin show and buy the entire set. Even at relatively smaller coin shows I've seen almost all of those for sale in MS grades. More so than can you afford some of them, is just where are you planning on buying them. If, for instance on ebay, could end up costing more than a house. Same for many coin stores. At coin shows I've seen sets in all MS grades for sale but usually from about 59 to present. Prior to that, not so easy.
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Here is another take on your original philosophy:

If I were to begin my Lincoln set by laying out huge money for beautiful mint-state examples of the '09S-VDB and the '14D, there is a fair chance that I'm going to finish the set. On the other hand, doing it the way I've done (starting with change finds and working my way back / forward since about 1980) I doubt I will ever finish the set because I DON'T want to shell out the big bucks. Plus, my set wasn't done with mint state coins from day one. I've just updated to better examples when I stumble across them.

People don't often realize that some of the "key date" Lincolns aren't the hardest to get in high grade. Many of the teen and twenty S-mint coins are really big money when you get north of MS63. A mid-MS red 1926S will cost you close to six figures and the 1909S VDB in the same condition is less than 10% of that. You have to look at the whole set before you establish a target grade!
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I am the opposite. If I had started with the high dollar key dates I might have given up on the full date-mint set and opted to make them part of a high end type set. I want to finish the set with a bang, not a whimper.
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First of all I'd like to bring out the fact that Mint State Red Lincolns are prone to the environment very easily and black spots can ruin your whole collection . But I'm sure you already know this . Anyway like you say having brown uncs.right next to choice red cents just doesn't cut it . I worked mine backwards only because of the price of the early Lincolns in BU . I don't care who tells you what ; you go by what you can afford .
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One thing about red cents that always scared me is that eventually they may spot or tone anyway depending on the environment they are stored.


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First of all I'd like to bring out the fact that Mint State Red Lincolns are prone to the environment very easily and black spots can ruin your whole collection

My collection is in direct fit air-tite capsules in a CAPS album. Aside from storing them in a vacuum, I think this is the best I can do. Has anyone seen red cents tone, or develop carbon spots in an air-tite?
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I am in the process of putting together a set of mint state red Lincoln cents.


That is quite a collecting challenge ... and you have received some honest advice from true CCF experts.

Keep us posted on your progress ... some photos would help.
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If you want to do the hard ones first and want nice attractive coins then I'd look for the '84-(P) with nice surfaces and the '68-D without carbon spots.

In choice to Gem BU most of the really tough coins will be from '68 to '86.

People get the idea that if there are lots of an issue graded highly by the services that the coin is common in Gem. But the services will grade an '84 with bad surfaces as a Gem just because almost all '84's have them.

If you seek cents which have solid strikes and are clean and attractive (chBU) then you'll find many dates are tough. Older coins were saved by the rolls and bags and were better made so nice coins can be easily found. With moderns you're dependent much more on mint sets for nice specimens and mint set coins aren't well made every year.
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I have a near MS Lincoln set. I backed into my set - i.e., I didn't plan this from the beginning.

I started with the goal of putting together a Lincoln set that had been started in childhood from circulation but never finished. It was originally going to be a brown, circulated set and I got close to that minus a couple of keys, but then from there I said:

It wouldn't be that hard to do uncirculated for all of the memorials and the 2009+ were already uncirculated, so I finished that.

Then I thought, you know, it would be pretty reasonable to do uncirculated back to 1940 or so and so I finished that. Then I noticed a lot of people did back to 1934 uncirculated so I did that.

Then I noticed that uncirculated back to 1928 wasn't too expensive either. There was the 31-S, but that was only a little more in uncirculated grade than the brown examples. The 31-D ran me a bit as well, but not too bad.

THEN, and here's where the quest got sort of expensive - I said, ya know, the PHILLY mints aren't so bad going all the way back to 09 so why not do those in uncirculated too?

Now, I had brown coins and not brown coins all mixed together and decided I was going to try to finish my set in MS 63 RB to as close as I could afford.

I started in on the pre-28 D and S mints and let me tell you, that was a challenge. I made a few compromises where I got attractive coins at good prices and wouldn't mind upgrading a few, but overall am pretty happy with my set. Some really tough coins in there. I found the 15-S and 24-D really hard to find at reasonable prices with the look I wanted.

The last one I added was the 09-S VDB in MS63RB PCGS. Got an inheritance from my in-laws and my wife said why don't you go ahead and get that coin you wanted. Thanks Jane and Paul. Oh, and my 14-D is just a VG8 since that's a really expensive one in MS. Maybe someday.

Sorry for the long post if you are still with me...to summarize, I bought what I could afford and saved up and ended with a bang on the last few coins.
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Congrats on the choice of which set to complete.

Knowing what I know now.....

The 09 S VDB would be my last purchase of the series. Unless a killer deal fell in my lap, there will ALWAYS be thousands to choose from.

31 S - same as above.

14 D in 63 or 64 RB (unless you can find a graded 63 or 64 BN with some red), would be my first purchase.
15 S would be next - matching the 14 D.
20 D & S
21 S
23 S
24 D
26 D & S
11 D & S
12 D & S


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I have often wondered the same thing Scurry and have thought about posting a similar thread to yours.

I finished my first "nice" set of Washington quarters late last year and I wanted to start an MS set of "something" classic.
And I pondered the same questions you have asked here. I have enjoyed reading these responses as much as you have!

So here is my thought process, so far anyway:

No, I am not going to buy any semi key or key dates this year. I want to learn and study this series and learn what an "MS-XX"
or whatever grade should look like. I want to feel confident that when I go to spend my hard earned $'s on a key / semi key
date coin that I know more of what to expect. So I am making my first dozen purchases or so on some of the less expensive coins.
Then when I have studied those and am more comfortable I will buy a couple of the more expensive ones. But, I don't want to just
have all the "hard ones" left at the end either.

I have not yet made up my mind if I will just bite the bullet and sell off a great deal of my collection for "the big one",
or...... to use your example of the 1914D drop down to a MS61BR. Something tells me tho that I will compromise some. But
not a lot. I will be working on this set over the next probably 7 years so I am just making some purchases and learning
right now.

Seriously tho, I have thought seriously about making a post just like this one. Thanks!

I wish you well and keep us posted~!
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