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Off-Centre Canadian Broadstrikes, Somewhat Uncommon After 1965

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There are a _lot_ of nice off-centre Canadian cents for sale in the market. I have seen round-the-clock collections of some of them, including CCF's own Scissel.

However, most Canadian off-centre strikes are just that - off-centre strikes, with a lip where the planchet overlapped the collar die. Sometimes you get a dramatic ball cap effect, other times the collar shears the coin into two pieces, resulting in elliptical clips.

Less common, are the broadstruck coins where there is no collar at all, so sometimes the coin is centred, and other times it is off-centred. You can find these commonly in dates 1960 to 1963 (1963 being the most common) and in 1965. But rarely in any other year. I don't have a single broadstruck coin in my collection from the 1970s. I have a single example from 1980 and one from 2004...

So when this example came up, it did not attract much attention - however I knew it was an off-centre broadstrike. The only example I have found from 1968. Anyone else have broadstruck coins after 1965? I would be curious to know...

The key is to look at the rim, because it will always be rounded as all Type II planchets are - there is no collar to contain the metal flow. Therefore, these coins are always "flat" with no ball cap.

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Congrats you find some of the coolest coins.
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Nice catch!
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I'm not real sure what you mean SPP but I'll post picture's of three coins that I think you are looking for.
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Those are off-centre strikes, with the partial collar Papeldog... you can see the lip of the collar causing the coin to have a ballcap effect...

I was specifically looking for off-centred broadstruck coins. They are really common in the 1960s with Canadian 10-cent silver coins (the lack of reeding makes them easy to identify), but they are rarely seen over 1965 for some reason...
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 Posted 03/23/2018  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tlutz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heres a 1967 penny off center, perhaps a broadside also? It looks pretty flat and doesn't seem to have the ball cap effect

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Pictures aren't the best but it's all I have right now.
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Certainly looks like it!! That is the first 1967 broadstrike I have seen...
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I must be missing something; this is the definition I always used for broadstrikes: "In order to qualify as a broadstrike, the full design must be present on both faces. If the design is cut off on either face, it is called an "off-center strike"."

http://www.error-ref.com/broadstrikes/

Help? I understand what you're saying about the rim, is the error-ref definition incomplete?
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Off-centre strikes can occur, with and without, the collar die actively engaged.

Broadstruck coins occur with the collar die disengaged.

What I was specifically referring to, was the combination of both.
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how about this one?
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I will upload a few. Some are partially out of collar......


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Love that 1975... a centred broadstrike, and those reverse denticles are loooong!
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1994 loonie. thoughts
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