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The Roundest Ancient I've Ever Seen

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I picked this out of a junk bin a couple weeks ago, and subsequently identified it as a Roman provincial of Philip the Arab, struck at Antioch, BMC 527 or 528. I have little doubt of its authenticity due to the patina, but it seems almost almost perfectly round and has a flat, sharp edge. It has a mass of 17.78 g, a diameter of 30.5 mm and a thickness of 2.7 mm at the rim. I'm just wondering if you've seen this on other pieces. It's certainly not the work of a collar, and it doesn't make sense that a bronze coin would be clipped. Perhaps it is fake?

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 Posted 03/27/2018  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Exactly as it should be. Several provincial mints at this period produced large bronzes on neat flans.
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OK, good to know.
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This is unreal... if you scroll down, I posted the same type of coin earlier and everyone was skeptical if it's authenticity because of its complete rounded-ness!! There might be some fake "desert" patina but I would like to know your opinion on it Kushanshah!!
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A Valerian AE 28 from Ephesus
It has the same characteristic round flan with a squared off edge.
One wonders why they took the extra effort ?
But the answer may be as simple as civic pride or as ordinary as having too much free time on their hands !

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This one hasn't got the filed down 'desert' patina.
I have never seen an ancient coin this round and of even thickness, and with a square edge, either.

The corrosion characteristics look genuine, but they do hide the design detail, thus making authentication from a stylistic point of view, difficult.
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I'd say that this is a good conversation that is taking place over multiple threads (and welcome to CCF @Kushanshah by the way). I'm really glad that we can have a vigorous discussion from different viewpoints yet maintain our civility and graciousness. Good work by @echizento in keeping us all in line.

I don't have a ton of ancient Greek or Roman coins, but for the ones that I do have, none of them have this thick, squared off edge. Fake? Real? I'm not totally sure, but it would make me nervous. Perfect flan roundness is a little less concerning to me.
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