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1795 Flowing Hair Dollar

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How can a coin with several deep cut in its obverse get a grade? I would think it should be a details (damaged) coin.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1795-Flowi...AOSweD5ZthZF

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 Posted 03/28/2018  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is damaged, but still very attractive. TPGs bend the rules by trotting out the "grading is subjective" trope. Sad when they don't follow their own stated standards. Imagine a modern coin with those stabs in a straight holder...
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The early stuff usually gets a pass on minor damage. This one has great eye appeal if with the problems.
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 Posted 03/28/2018  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a beautiful coin. With or without the damage, which might even be adjustment marks if raised, but I can't tell for sure.
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Many of the early coins won't be given a Details grade, even if they have some minor damage.

It still has excellent eye appeal.
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Agree, beautiful example and well deserving of a straight grade.
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Many of the early coins won't be given a Details grade, even if they have some minor damage.

It still has excellent eye appeal.

Yes, I agree. Early halves, as well. Look at a big auction for 1794 halves and they'll likely be more with issues than not. A lot of it has to do with the way they were made- with a desire just to get it done rather than making them attractive.
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Looks like post mint damage to me and it doesn't look minor. It was stabbed multiple times with a sharp object imho. Undeserving of a straight grade.
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that coin has beautiful eye appeal!!
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I agree with numismatic student.

Still a nice coin though.
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Good looking coin. Regarding adjustment marks, weren't they usually done with a file and the resulting "adjustment" looks, well, filed? Never knew they could be larger gouges like that.
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Those definitely do NOT look like adjustment marks. They look like gashes that don't take up enough real estate to warrant a details designation.
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What I find annoying is that if I sent a that coin to PCGS... I'm pretty sure it would come back Details. If I had a few million dollars I would buy that coin... crack it out... send it to PCGS to have it graded. Then crack it out again and send it to NGC. Crack it out again and send it to ANACS.

If we could get 100 members to donate $70 to a pool of funds.... we could do that.
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I like the coin, but it does not belong in a holder with a straight grade. The TPG's should change the name from market grading to garbage grading. It gets old seeing coins dipped, cleaned or damaged with straight grades. I believe the big dollar submitters get more than their fair share of the garbage grades.
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I have seen much worse in straight holders.
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With the cuts being on the reverse it is easier to "overlook" than if the same marks were on the obverse in the prime focal area.

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