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A friend has recently started selling off some of his collection because he feels the market has topped and and is in a downwards trend. I have almost same collection type as him and wonder what others thoughts are.

Been awhile since I posted (weird circumstances brought me back) hope to get some advice from the veterans.
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 Posted 04/04/2018  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt that the market is in a downward trend.

Markets go up and down all the time but I don't think this is the time to sell, unless
a) you've lost interest in numismatics
b) you're about to die and have nobody to inherit yoiur collection.
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From the little I have heard, the high-end market is doing well, but the low end market has softened a bit. How that would affect your collection I do not know.

Take some of your best pieces and seen what a good dealer would pay for them (but don't sell), and compare that to coin trends. That will certainly give you a few clues.
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Depends on what part of the expanded market you're in. Scarce and grade-scarce high end circulation are doing better than a couple of years ago. More common circulation coins seem to have leveled out. NCLT still has a few coins that do well (low mintage special silver dollars for example), a few more that have leveled off after dropping from their peaks, and most of the stuff issued 2012+ floating around in the 40-70% of issue price range. Charlton 2018 prices are showing signs of catching up finally with a lot of sections showing significant drops in both Vol 1 and Vol 2. However there's still a lot of volatility. Particularly on ebay auctions where it can really depend on who sees it and shows up to bid that particular week.
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Take some of your best pieces and seen what a good dealer would pay for them (but don't sell), and compare that to coin trends.


Coin Trends is pure fiction for the most part. Just try searching recent auction results from icollector, Heritage and other auction sites with archived results. Even an ebay search, and click on the 'Sold' button to see what stuff is actually selling for...

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And it isn't pretty. Canadian Coin Market is not good at all these days compared to ten or so years ago.
In our business we have done a complete 180 degree turn to dealing in foreign and ancients with a good mix of US coins. One of the biggest problems with selling Canadian coins IN Canada is the excessive shipping rates charged by CPC and second is Government taxation . HST rates as high as 15 Per Cent in some provinces are not conducive to selling better Canadian Coins, in the Home and native land.
Much easier to deal with exporting Foreign and USA coins that sell for real money.
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I haven't bought a Charlton in 2 years since I moved out of country. I will have to get one shipped out and see whats changed. I appreciate the feedback!
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Canadian coin collecting in the USA is a niche thing. It's not for everyone. I happen to enjoy it.
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Right now it's easier to sell a $10,000 coin than a $10 coin. There are tons of collections and collectible coins coming on the market. The high end market is relatively stable, the average coins in common grades are below 50% trends and will continue to fall until they get captured by metal spot prices. I recently priced a set of 40 +- MS-65 (couple of MS-66) Canadian Large Cents that had a trends value well over 60k but average sales around 36k. As PC mentions...Canadians are not buying coins...Americans are...It's one of the reason why I even move certain Canadian coins into NGC/PCGS holders which opens up the bigger US market.
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Since I focus on pre-1858 issues I can only comment on those,

Seems the nicer stuff is still fetching good value, but common and/or grades below AU are easily available & affordable in comparison.

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 Posted 04/11/2018  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What issue was pre-1858?
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Your friend is 9 to 10 years late in thinking the Canadian coin market has just 'topped'.

It's been in a downward spiral since 2008.

I can cite numerous reasons but one of the biggest indications is the willingness of dealers to buy merchandise.

Prior to 2008, I could sell to a dealer any type or grade of ICCS coin and I would receive at least 60% of trends.

Nowadays, most dealers do not want to buy ANY coin and if they do, their buy price is 35% of trends.

Please don't quote me high buy and sell prices of rare dates.

I'm talking about the generic type of coins, yet nice dates too.

Examples would be 1911 to 1959 quarters in ms63 and ms64 grades.

Dream on if you think this is a healthy market.
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As others have said, I think the market for nice key date and condition rare Canadian coins is doing fine. Much of that is being sold to U.S. collectors taking advantage of the exchange rate and no taxes, or duty. Everything else, not so much.

Like many of you, I have a fair amount tied up in my Canadian coins. I don't mind, because I really love collecting them, learning their history, and studying how they were made. In my more retrospective and lucid moments, I have to admit to myself that I probably will not come close to breaking even when I eventually sell. Perhaps I may someday be surprised by affluent millennials coming into the hobby in middle age, but I am not holding my breath. Quite frankly, and barring some crisis driving the hysterical masses into hard assets, there just are not enough YN's in the hobby to justify such an expectation.

I consider myself a avid proponent in the current renaissance of one cent varieties. Quite simply, they fascinate me. I am glad that some of you have become interested in them. Even so, I am pretty certain nobody is ever going to get rich off of them. I believe this for several reasons. One, things we think are rare today may not be rare tomorrow, as more old collections and small hoards get re-examined for varieties. Two, several early (2000-2010) variety collectors are sitting on multiple copies of "rare" varieties, gathered before most current variety seekers entered the genre. Three, most collectors are excited by the hunt and want to find varieties, not buy them, and certainly not pay inflated prices for them (with the usual exception of high end collectors competing for the best of the best). Four, there just aren't very many hard core Canadian variety collectors; only one or two hundred in my opinion. Five, although the recent literature helps promote variety collecting, this happened once before in the 1950's and 1960's, then faded until only recently revived. I fear it could fade again. If you do not believe my premise that investing large sums of money in varieties will not make you rich, take a look at all the overpriced Canadian variety coins available, but not selling, on E-Bay.

I am sorry to be pessimistic, but I prefer collectors, and specifically variety collectors, spend their money with their eyes open, a thirst for knowledge, and realistic (IMO) expectations. They tend to stay collectors longer that way. My advice on collecting coins is similar to my advice on gambling. If you can afford it, collect because you enjoy it and do not worry about the return on the money you spend. Go into a casino because you like to gamble and do not take money there that you cannot afford to lose.

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Bosox....very well said and spot-on!

Nowadays, collect Canadian coins for the love of it, not the money.

It's the right time to be buying now, since prices are very low (compared to 2000 to 2007 peak years).

If I was twenty years younger, I'd be licking my chops at being able to acquire nice coins for a great price.

Here's a few examples........

2000 to 2007 prices.

1937 ICCS ms65 $1.............approx 9,000.00 (now approx. $2500)

1939 ICCS ms65 $1............approx. $550.00 (recent one on ebay sold for $165.00)

1938 ICCS ms65 25c.............approx. $1600.00 (now approx. $650.00)

I don't even want to list 1950 to 1963 PL price drops for fear of a few collectors jumping out of skyscrapers.

I could go on and on.................................
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I was never about "collecting" .. it was about learning and then sharing knowledge. I'm happy now that most of my hunting has ended and I can just help others understand what they have and some history behind it/them. I'm now what my son called me .. par for the course .. think about it.
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doubleeagle59.
I'm astonished by your comparisons - which catalogs/sites are you using for your values ?

Is ICCS a reputable grader ?
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