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1909 Lincoln Cent - Lam Err?

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 Posted 05/01/2018  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would like to see a close up of the first part of the motto areas devices. (the affected areas) I can't tell if the field is peeled on IN GOD or if the coin is damaged on the area where the rim area from another coin pressed down or not? That is what I'm seeing now. It looks incuse from a hit from another coin over the face area?
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 Posted 05/01/2018  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The one thing I am sure of is this is not lamination.
The lower line is a clean arc. I am not sure if it matches the curve of the rim.
I have no idea on the upper line.
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 Posted 05/01/2018  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The lower line must be some sort of PMD. Lots of fish on the line here, good mystery.



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 Posted 05/02/2018  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bamasoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, gave it my best shot. tried every angle/lighting I could think of. I need a professional setup...


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 Posted 05/02/2018  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CJ18850 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Waiting for everyone's conclusion on this.

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 Posted 05/02/2018  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still seeing a struck through wire issue. But the one that looks like a coin arc, still not sure on what that is. It might be damage or corrosion.
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 Posted 05/03/2018  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bamasoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coop. Guess I will go with struck through error for now
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@bamasoe, First, thank you for the additional photos. They are helpful, and may rule out some of the possibilities.

Regarding the more northwesterly crease (from Liberty to Trust), I'm with @coop on this looking like it is struck through. Whatever the object, it was a pretty decent size to leave a mark like that. The coin is definitely a keeper for that. The lack of damage to the edge and reverse seem consistent with a struck through error.

Regarding the more southeasterly arc, I originally thought it was PMD, but now I'm not so sure. My first impression was that the lower arc cut across or through the angular shape below the "S" of Trust. Your photo flips that impression. The angular shape appears to be PMD, and appears to ride on top of the arc. I enhanced your photo, and here's the critical area:

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What appeared somewhat angular in the more distant shot actually is a series of gouges from contact. The gouges are on both sides of the arc, and appear to cross its surface. If that read is correct, the arc preceded the PMD.

The mystery deepens where the arc crosses "Liberty." Here is an enhanced closeup of your shot of the "RT" of "Liberty."

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Unless I'm mistaken, the arc passes directly beneath the angled right leg of the "R" but does not appear to damage that part of the "R." There is a contact ding on the curve of the "R" but that appears to be far too minimal to be from any post-mint impact capable of inflicting the arc on the coin. The discoloration also doesn't seem to affect the letters "R" or "T" either.

I confess, I have no clear idea what caused the more southeasterly arc. There could be a variety of post-mint causes (non-impact contact with something that corroded the surface is one), but I just don't see it as being caused by impact of something with the surface of the coin. If it were the result of impact, I would expect to see the "RT" of Liberty sustain much more damage and would expect to see evident damage on the reverse.

You have quite the mystery coin there.
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With the new pics (thanks!), I agree that the upper squiggly line is most likely struck-through, maybe thread/fiber.

The lower, more perfect arc is interesting as I noticed the same thing @fortcollins points out about where it crosses LIBERTY.

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Thank you all for the in depth analysis, will definitely be going in the 2x2 collection! Lots of over-my-head info to look up too haha
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