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1909 Lincoln Cent - Lam Err?

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It goes all the way across from 8 to 2 oclock. Is it a lamination error?


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 Posted 04/24/2018  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Giwalsh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it possibly glue?I've been told it's glue or something and I was like no way but really inspecting it found these guys were on the money
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 Posted 04/24/2018  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HoboNickelCarver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. The coin is worn, yet the lines you mention look defined. Maybe it is glue or something similar.
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Is it possibly glue?I've been told it's glue or something and I was like no way but really inspecting it found these guys were on the money


I don't believe so, the top crack is pretty well defined
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What does the reverse look like?

I'm pretty sure it is not a lam.
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What does the reverse look like?


worn but normal.
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Here's a miserable attempt at a closeup..


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Possibly a planchet flaw.
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Are there any experts in the community that I could send this to for w closer look? Or should I go through a pro like varietyvista? Just seems like an awesome error if it is indeed a legit error...
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Bambam, first off never have!

Try an overnight soak in acetone( in your garage, covered!) Then see if it loosens or has disappeared entirely. If glue or adhered material should come off.

Now, the first concentric line(across face) is a coin contact line, rim of another imprinted through force(intentional or otherwise?). The second is jagged semi- circular which does lend to surface substance or "toning" an environmental issue. Laminations are jagged edged yes, but more linear, never curved, and are usually an alloy mix error of which you coin shows no indication of. Try the soak before wasting the money to attribute.

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Thanks CrazyB, will try that first
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It kind of looks like a struck through? (Weak one) it might have worn down a bit from circulation.
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I find this area of your coin interesting:

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Whatever is directly beneath the "S" of "TRUST" is extremely linear, and it is bisected by the curve. To me, that suggests at least two different things are going on with this coin. Regarding the lower curve, I'm with Crazyb0 and coop, either it is struck through or was post-mint impact. This curve appears to cross the rim on both ends, and this is particularly evident below Lincoln's shoulder.

Regarding the linear shape below "TRUST," my hunch is an alloy issue, if there isn't a blob of glue on the surface. Pre-1917 Lincolns frequently have some weird chunks of improperly alloyed metal embedded in the coin, typically appearing as "L" shapes or miniature bars of metal. (IIRC, the mint changed contractors in mid-1916 for the raw copper used for cents.)

The outer curve is harder to pin down. Again, if it isn't a blob of glue, there are several possibilities: improper annealing, post-mint exposure to heat, or metal flow during striking if the inner circle is struck through are a few that come to mind. On this second circle, there does appear to be a crack in the surface above Lincoln's head.

Is there any way to see a photo of the reverse and a photo of the edge of the coin from about 9:00 to 1:00 (Liberty to Trust)?
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If it is a struck through it should be incuse on the fields and dev. If it is an alloy issue then the fields and devices should be norm, without disturbance. From the images the furthest west area looks incuse? The mark that is over the head looks like a left a stain laying over the coin. You could compare it carefully with another coin? If so, that would be a stain and not incuse across the coin. That is what I'm seeing in your images.
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Well after a 36 hour acetone bath, the front looks essentially the same, no glue.

coop/fortcollins I will work on some closeups when I get home this eve, thanks for your help everyone!
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An interesting coin. Close up pictures of the areas in question would help. Here's my opinion:


  • The circular line that goes through the R in LIBERTY and Lincoln's head looks like PMD to me.

  • The jagged line could be many things. Close up photos will definitely help. It could a strikethrough, a planchet flaw, or post mint heat damage.



Will wait for close up pictures.
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