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NGC removed the clown makeup that was on this coin and exposed the harsh old cleaning, so blame NGC on a bad conservation job. Damage on coins do not repair from conservation.
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I'm not a fan of NGC grading, but lets be real here. The coin was toned over to hide the hairlines, NGC didn't scrub it. This is the risk of conservation, there can be things hiding under the "cover up" and there is a reason why it was darker in the areas showing lines now.
Should they have declined to do it, maybe since I don't know what it looked like in hand. On the other hand it is a more honest appearance of it now but there are usually a reason coins like that were being sold raw in the first place.
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Ploopy, you made the correct choice in getting this coin conserved. The coin looks much better with the AT removed.
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Those hairlines would be obvious even under the toning. These aren't old hairlines. They are new.
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Those hairlines would be obvious even under the toning. When did you see it in hand? They actually wouldn't be obvious with a good heavy AT job, it's one of the reasons why super dark coins aren't very popular. Quote:
These aren't old hairlines. They are new. No they aren't. NGC didn't scrub it that's just silly to make claims like that. They used chemicals and it exposed why it was toned the way it was and sold raw to hide it. |
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Let's ask Ploopy. Are the hairlines on the obverse new or old?
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Let's ask Ploopy. Are the hairlines on the obverse new or old? You honestly think NGC took a wire brush to the coin?  |
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There were no hairlines before I sent it off, however they must've either been under the surface and someone is a heckuva coin doctor or they happened during NGC's conservation process.
Edit: correcting my spelling
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08/20/2018 11:11 pm
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They look fresh to me! Here is an example of coin that recently sold at the ANA show that had toned over old hairlines. Disregard the first 2 set of doctored images. https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-dol...dLots-101116 Even with the toning, the hairlines never really disappear. They are always very evident when placed under a direct light source. I'm sure Ploopy would have seen them while capturing his photos if they were under the toning. |
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There were no hairlines before I sent it off, however they must've either been under the surface and someone is a heckuva coin doctor They were there covered under heavy toning. Coin drs are much better than that too. Lets look at this logically. What do you think is more likely that NGC decided to scrub a coin like a bunch of clueless people that found a mint error in a parking lot, or that the toning was heavy and strategically placed to sell the coin raw where people would think they found a diamond in the rough? The answer is it was strategic toning. I'm not going to believe NGC pulled someone off the street and said clean this, when they ruin coins it's almost always chemically not armature style like that. I've said it so much and some people push back on me, but when coins like these are raw there is usually a reason |
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Again, Baseball. Hairlines like the ones seen in Ploopy's second set of photos would have been very evident when placed under a direct light source. You are wrong on this one. Those hairlines are new.
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You are wrong on this one. No I'm not. You're literally trying to argue NGC scrubbed the areas that were strategically the darkest heaviest toning like an amateur. |
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Yes you are. It's okay to be wrong sometimes, man. Those are new hairlines and a botched and disgraceful restoration attempt by NGC.
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Though I do find it hard to believe that NCS used an abrasive of sorts on this coin, the hairlines look completely fresh to me.  Edited by Optimist-numismatist
08/20/2018 11:52 pm
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