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Two Chinese Sycee Silver Ingots- How To Authenticate?

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Hi All,

I recently came across these two Chinese silver ingots (sycee) and was wondering if anybody out there could help me authenticate them or point me in the right direction? I've come across a few in the past several years but these are far better made and marked than any I've come across so far and they test for silver. Weight for one is 31.25 grams and the other is 30.14 grams so there is some discrepancy there although the markings are different for each. Were these sycee consistently a standard weight?

Any help appreciated, thanks in advance!

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 Posted 05/02/2018  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This to me looks very modern. The older sycees that I have seen would not have text of "prosperity" and an odd number 6491. Again with Chinese stuff, just because it passes some precious metal test, there is no guarantee that it is plated.
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You must get these things XRF most large coin dealers or bullion places will have one, about a year ago bought one of these, really cool looking sycees at a show, dealer was willing to give money back if not silver, the weight was good but after XRF it was lead got money back, stick with a good auction like Spinks at least you know it's real
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 Posted 12/13/2018  04:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinpicker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,
I have collected a few of these that have slight variation of lucky Chinese characters impressed upon them. Because Chinese used to be written right to left in the past, 6491 refers to 1946 date. Some variants have the date written left to right. It's likely made to be sold as auspicious gifts so one stamped "shou" meaning longevity would be a birthday gift and "Shuang Xi" meaning double happiness would be a wedding gift for newly weds. This particular type is well copied but the copies are usually about 100 grams in size and made of silver plated base metal. Cheers! CP
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 Posted 12/13/2018  04:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinpicker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the way, read from top to bottom, right to left it says: one tael (Chinese ounce), Chen Cheong Made (by), full (solid) silver, 1946.

Top of first one says: Chen Cheong Made, happiness, prosperity, full (solid) silver.
Top of second one says: Chen Cheong Made, happiness, develop/get rich, full (solid) silver. (Variant)

Side of first one says: "zh#257;o cái jìn b#462;o" meaning "ushering in wealth and prosperity."
Side of second one says: Chinese character in oval for happiness (Xi).

Good sign that yours are real as they're slightly different from each other and you can tell that the characters where hand punched with dies. Fakes are typically identical and characters stamps are cast into the piece at same time which was not the way they did it.
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 Posted 12/14/2018  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Coinpicker

Well, "real" is a tricky word.

You possibly mean made of real silver (at least on the outside, the core of newly made items is ofter some cheap material), but that date (1946) is definitely not real.

These were made probably 60-70 years later than dated (2006? or 2016?).
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Just as a follow up I have a "boat" style Sycee (see attached pics) that was given to my father around 50 years ago. it is clearly not antique but I am curious to know more about it.
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Can you focus the camera to show all the characters on the piece and an accurate weight?
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Hi - I will post a pic tomorrow. I think that I need a better camera than my phone. will try to weigh.
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It weighs around 1 oz but I don't have very precise scales.
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this seems to be an example of a real sycee (https://www.ebay.ca/itm/China-1643-...SwhgFbbAnQ). this ones above looks all too modern. I doubt they are even made of silver.
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