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New Member
South Africa
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Poll Question
I can't tell if this coin is real or fake. Please help  
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Good question. Quite a few really high quality fakes of these have been made. I don't have die marker knowledge of this series, and even with good quality pictures, centrifugal pressure cast fakes are difficult to identify on screen. Rim beads are of variable length, but even in spacing. In this case, I could be easily fooled. Accurate weight information not of much use, the coin has been tooled to remove mounts. That fact just to makes authentication more difficult. A casting sprue could have been removed with the tooling. There is no mint luster in between the devices. XRF information may help, it doesn't look plated. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The fact that the question has been asked, temps me to say: fake. My personal doubts would prevent me from buying it. |
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 South Africa
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Fake or real, it's been tooled, either to remove tell-tale faking, or genuine mounting marks.
Pass on it, it's a bum coin.
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 United States
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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I voted fake for the following reasons. Compare with genuine coin on left. Upper lip protruds on genuine, does not on fake. End of ribbon different on both coins. Tail of "Q" on genuine touches inside of letter, on fake it does not. There are other minor differences on both Obverse and Reverse but these should be convincing enough.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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There is some reasonable die marker knowledge for you, that I couldn't provide !
We are all programed from birth to recognize faces, and the ability increases as we develop after birth. It is that ability that enables to recognize faces in a crowd.
That skill can also be put to good use in identifying minor differences with human faces and profiles on coins.
It all helps, on this occasion, leading us to 'fake'.
Edited by sel_69l
05/14/2018 7:22 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Unfortunately, the lack of details are an instant concern.
There are a LOT of these fakes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1666 Posts |
A lot of these coins are damaged on purpose to take away suspicion. They sell for less than a problem free coin, but still for a lot more than the fake is worth.
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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Actually it is a high grade numismatic forgery to me.
RealOrFake, would you post a lot of edge pictures for teaching purpose? May I have the weight and diameter of the coins?
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New Member
South Africa
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Thanks for the help and the welcome. Those comparison images convinced me it's a fake. It weighs 27.0 grams on my 1-decimal scale. Diameter is about 38mm. I couldn't get my camera to focus on the rim, but here are two photos:   Edited by RealOrFake
05/15/2018 04:15 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I'll be honest - if that was offered to me, I would have bought it as a damaged example to fill a hole in my collection. Wow. This is one of my poorer example - I don't know if I should doubt it  I'm looking for a damaged example of 1866 half dollar but it looks like I better be skeptical... My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Pretty beat up but looks genuine.
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Valued Member
United States
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I agree, the OPs coin is a forgery. I didn't need to examine the details Jimmy provided in his excellent comparison post. The mushy uneven dentils were enough for me to indicate this is a not a struck coin.
The weight may be good and the diameter may be good but I'd bet the thickness is NOT! Do measure the thickness (if you have a caliper) and let us know what you find. It could be picture distortion but to me it looks like that the thickness is not uniform and the coin is thicker in some parts than others.
Lastly, to determine the material, you can do an SG test.
@gxseries your specimen, though pretty bruised and worn, looks authentic to me - bigger pictures would help raise my degree of confidence.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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cableguy - not the best photos but here they are:   Still collectable in my book as long as it's genuine. |
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