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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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Hungarian denar

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Duchy of Brabant
(peacock) Schelling ND
Ruler: Albert & Isabella (1598-1621)
mint: Antwerp (1612-1613)
ALBERTUS.ET.ELISABET.DEI.GRATIA.
Albert and Isabelle, by the grace of God
ARCHIDUCES.AUST.DUCES.BURG.ET.BRAB
ARCHIDUCES AUSTRIA® DUCES BURGUNDIA ET BRABANTIA
Archdukes of Austria and Dukes of Burgundy and Brabant
Literature: Van Gelder / Hoc 314-1
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Patagon
ND (minted from 1612- )
ruler: Albert & Isabella (1598-1621)
mint: Antwerp
Literature: Van Gelder / Hoc 311-1
ALBERTUS.ET.ELISABET.DEI.GRA
Albertus and Elisabet dei gratia
Albert and Isabelle, by the grace of God
ARCHID.AUSTR.DUCES.BURG.ET.BRAB.Z
archiduces Austrić duces Burgundić et Brabantić etc
Archdukes of Austria, Dukes of Burgundy and Brabant etc
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County of Flanders
1/4 Patagon
ND (minted between 1612-1621)
Ruler: Albert & Isabella (1598-1621)
mint: Bruges (lily)
Literature: Van Gelder / Hoc 313-6
ALBERTUS.ET.ELISABET.DEI.GRATIA
Albert and Isabelle, by the grace of God
ARCHID.AUSTR.DUCES.BURG.ET.CO.FL
archiduces Austrić, duces burgundić et comes Flandrić
Archdukes of Austria, Dukes of Burgundy, Count of Flanders
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Austrian Netherlands
Double liard
ND (minted between 1612-1650)
Mint: Louveigne
Literature: De Chestret 21c Var or S-M20 Var, Dengis 1064
Muntheer: Ferdinand of Bavaria (1612-1650)
Malmedy, Imperial Abbey of Stavelot
Medusa: coat of arms of county Logne
EPISCO.LEO.MAR.FRANC.COM.LONG.
This is one of the varieties where the legend is almost similar on both sides.
The crown has a point on both sides, as well as in the legend.
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The jeton refers to a movement towards religious liberty in Aachen, Germany. This event is considered as important during the 30 years war;

So many interesting historical references in your jetons. I think you've pointed out elsewhere that the designers/makers of these had much more freedom of form and content than we see in coins. Thanks for sharing them.

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Thank you @tdz for helping me learn something today!

You're welcome. My involvement with the forum starting a year and a half ago really ignited MY learning a lot more about the areas I collect. So I have you and all the other contributors here to thank, many times over for that
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indeed, it is nice to learn from the posts and collections of other CCF members !

more non-siggi-copper with avian dimensions:

a 1612 jeton from France figuring a bird of paradise lifting its young into the skies (pity that this part is a bit worn) - alike to what Louis XIII, Roi de France, did all the time: promote the prosperity and learnedness of his own people

MEOS AD SIDERA TOLLO (I lift mine towards the stars)

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COELESTIA DONA MINISTRO (heavenly presents I bring)
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Here is a 1/24 Thaler from the German City State of Saxony (vicariat issue) dated AD 1612.


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my last piece of non-siggi-copper from 1612

jeton (Dugn.3679) from Antwerp, Spanish Netherlands praising the wisdom of the Archdukes

Obverse: lion and snake NVLLVM NVMEN ABEST SI SIT PRVDENTIA 161Z
Reverse: coat-of-arms of Habsburgs, with jewel of golden fleece G P L CHAM DES COMP EN BRA (gectoirs pour la chambre des comptes en Brabant)

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1612 King Louis XIII of France and Navarre

Double tournois

Paris(A)
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1612 Philip III, King of Spain, Portugal, Naples, Sicily and Sardinia and Duke of Milan

4 Tari

Messina, Sicily
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1612 -- Kingdom of Spain, 2 maravedis:
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Unless @giedrius has a contribution for 1612 (and he may be asleep by now), we will have a sans-Siggy-Sunday. Tomorrow we embark on the next two dozen years of his reign.
Great stuff today. @petrus, I did not know there was a Brabant escalin with a peacock ... now on my list. Nice to see sicily, Spain too.
Why no UK coins
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Another Polish groschen, 1611, Krakow mint. Interesting composition of the date, with letter I used for the last two digits
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