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Need Constantine Coin Images For College Thesis

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 Posted 09/02/2018  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just for fun, here is what must be by far the earliest instance of the Chi-Rho on an ancient coin, more than 500 years before Constantine...
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https://cNGCoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=76308


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 Posted 09/02/2018  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The prices today absolutely astound me ......
Of course these two aren't as nice but still were affordable enough that I have absolutely no memory of the price tag
(Less than $100 apiece I am very sure)
To be honest I had no memory of the Chi Rho symbols either until now !
But when I purchased them at New England Coin Shows long ago they were for consolation purposes
Since no Romans were available on my meager budget
Lucky me !
What would a poor boy do today without ebay ?

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 Posted 09/02/2018  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ClaudiusConstans to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow, this is rather puzzling, what is that chi-rho doing on that coin that long ago? how can that be?
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 Posted 09/02/2018  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you want a real puzzle try pondering this coin
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces66913.html
Over one hundred years ago numismatists dated this denarius as being issued the month before the assasination of Julius Caesar (ie February)
The reverse attribution identifies it as the Roman dictator Sulla awaking from a dream
But does it really ?
The goddess descending is obviously Luna by the crescent veil she holds
Luna is a goddess associated with the spirit world since Romans believed the dead exist as mere shadows in the darkness which vanish by the light of dawn
The winged Victory seems to be waving a palm branch over the reclining figure (magic wand ?) who is arising from what appears to be a bed of sticks (funeral pyre ?)

Some imaginative scholars think that the coin does not predate the assasination but is actually from the same month of March famous for the Ides
So the arising figure would not be the dictator Sulla but actually the dictator Caesar rising ?
A resurrection scene ?
If you really want to go deep look at the earring on the obverse portrait of Venus
What do you see ?
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 Posted 09/03/2018  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
chi rho is only an abbreviation of the Greek word : ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ
χρis found on many coins , before and after BC and is also found in papyri ; like our asterisk now .albert
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 Posted 09/03/2018  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ClaudiusConstans to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ antwerpen2306
fascinating!
so the chi-rhos before Constantine simply abbreviated another word?
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@ Albert, Rufus and all
The chi rho subject is really intriguing me. You have a lot more experience on the matter, so I am daring to ask you if you know any other instances in which the symbol has appeared before Constantine the great.
I know one on a Decius coin: https://www.mfa.org/collections/obj...ianus-267840
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 Posted 09/03/2018  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As Sigmund Freud (probably never) said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Sometimes an XP monogram is just an XP monogram. There are an awful lot of Greek monograms on various coins and only so many letters in the alphabet. Context is critical.
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 Posted 09/03/2018  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ClaudiusConstans to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Kushanshah
:) may well be

what do you think about this reverse? Is it a cross or an X?
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 Posted 09/03/2018  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@CC, we have discussed this subject several times in the past. If you use the search box in the upper left hand corner of your screen and the keywords CHI RHO, you will see several, of which one of these is an early one and one is from this past June:

http://goccf.com/t/109793
http://goccf.com/t/318092
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