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Yikes, that one is pretty spendy! These next two are more in my price range. First up is a 15th Century Denar minted in Stargard (Polish-controlled Pomerania). I have it attributed as Kopicki 8498b and Saurma 4973. The second is another Kwartnik from the same timeframe and location (Stettin mint). You should be able to make out at least part of the obv inscription STETIN MO. The attribution is Kopicki 8563b.     This is all I've got for this week, but I should be contributing some after we push the timeframe forward.
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Quote: Yikes, that one is pretty spendy! I have the Triton IV auction catalog, and noted in the margin that this coin sold for $12,000 in 2000. So to see a starting price of $10,000 is probably a bit disappointing to the current owner (but let's see where it goes) You're pretty deep in Pomerania! I noticed that griffin was on the Pyritz coin in your earlier post, but maybe it's a broader symbol of all Pomerania. I've tried hard to stay focused on royal Poland in my collection ... but maybe I need to reconsider.
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Thanks! I just took a look. Nice set of coins, including the early dated ones (earlier than Poland by a couple of decades). Does the comment about "old country" mean your ancestors are (also) from that part of the world?
As for me, my paternal grandfather was from the Warsaw area, and grandmother from Lodz.
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The Kazimierz III kwartnik (1/2 groat) that triggered the idea for this thread over on another thread http://goccf.com/t/328708)As mentioned over there, Kopicki lists this as R5, but I have seen 6 sold at auction already this year, making me think there may have been quite a few more that have come to light since his assignment of that rarity level. Kopicki 338, Gumowski 360. Obv: King seated on throne facing, globus cruciger in right hand. MONETA KAZIMIRI Rev: Crowned eagle. REGIS POLONIE K  
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Quote: Does the comment about "old country" mean your ancestors are (also) from that part of the world? Like so many Americans, I am truly a mutt. However part of me can be traced back to what was called the Austro-Hungarian Empire. I hope we get some broader participation on this thread next week as we start to wade into more commonly collected Poland.
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Quote: I hope we get some broader participation on this thread next week as we start to wade into more commonly collected Poland I think we will get a few more contributors next week in 15th c. and even more the following two weeks (Alexander, Sigismund I and II, and Stefan Bathory). Then we will move to another forum for post-1600, and I think see A LOT of Sigismund III and beyond. Your Pomerania contributions are great, and I hope we will see some more from Silesia, Prussia under Poland (I remember seeing some of these posted in 'How Far Back Can We Go" threads), etc. as we move to the next weeks. All good fun (and education!)
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Earlier in the thread the Angevin/Hungarian king Louis (1370-1382) was already mentioned. He succeeded Kasimierz as King of Poland when Kazimierz died in 1370 without a male heir (Louis' mother was from the Polish Piast line). When Louis died in 1382, his young daughter, Jadwiga became the first female monarch of Poland, crowned in 1384 when she was at most 11 years old. She reigned 2 years alone, then wed Jogaila, a prince of Lithuania, who took the name Wladyslaw when he was baptized, thereby founding the Polish-Lithuanian Jagiello dynasty. Only a few types of denars were minted under Jadwiga during the two years she reigned alone. Mine is clearly a candidate for upgrading Obv: Shield of Hungary/Anjou Rev: Eagle Kopicki 349   Jadwiga died in 1399, but Wladyslaw Jagiello would become the longest reigning king of Poland (1386-1434). Here is a polgrosz (half groat), attributed as Gum. 415. Obv: Crown. MONE' WLADISLAV REV: Eagle. REGIS POLONIE  
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It's time to move to the 15th century, but before doing so, a bit of historical context (of course!).
The marriage of Jadwiga and Jogaila/Wladyslaw in 1386 set the stage for the next 200 years of Polish history, specifically, two centuries in which the Polish-Lithuanian union would be the dominant nation-state in eastern Europe.
Before the end of his reign, Jogaila/Wladislaw, allied with his Lithuanian kin, would challenge and defeat the Teutonic knights in battle, reversing their power in the region (although Poland would not regain land on the Baltic till much later in the 15th century).
Wladyslaw and his two sons, Wladyslaw III("of Varna") 1434-1444, and Kazimierz IV Jagiello (1447-92) would rule for over 100 years.
SO, please post your coins of Poland, Lithuania and related places (Pomerania, SIlesia, etc.) from the time of Wladyslaw II (ca. 1400) to the reign of Jan Olbracht (1492-1500) (sorry for the delay in launching this century!)
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Quote: The second coin is a Heller from the Polish-controlled German City State of Silesia-Breslau . Nice pair of coins! I'll match your Breslau heller with this one from a bit earlier in the 15th century. It dates to 1419-37 when SIgismund of Luxembourg was king of Bohemia. I think that much of Silesia moved under Bohemian control in the 1320s, and would remain there for several centuries. But the picture was extraordinarily confusing, as it was subdivided into about a dozen smaller entities, some of which had Polish Piast dukes as rulers  Obv: Head of SIgismund(?) MW MW Reverse: Rampant lion I have this attributed as Saurma 69, but I also see a similar type attributed as Kop. 8765 (grateful for confirmation or another suggestion). And it certainly is the same as this Numista listing: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces93029.html 
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Quote: I also see a similar type attributed as Kop. 8765 (grateful for confirmation or another suggestion). And it certainly is the same as this Numista listing: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces93029.html @tdz, Kopicki lists 22 different sub-types for #8765. These are mostly based on the symbol to the left of the lion rampant. Yours being a horizontally-slashed letter O (sorta like the Greek letter theta I guess) means that your coin is either sub-type f or g. On the rev (with the portrait), the fact that the letter Os are also horizontally slashed means that you can narrow down the attribution of your coin to Kopicki 8765-g. By the way, the coin that you linked in numista has a non-slashed letter O to the left of the lion and so is a different sub-type. I'm not sure if the various subtypes are indicative of different die-cutters, chronology, mints, or something else lost to time. Anyone out there know?  One last point is that Kowicki states that the portrait is "glowa Sw. Jana", which might be best translated to "the head of Saint John". Hopefully someone else with some better knowledge of the Polish language can weigh in (@giedrius?).
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Thanks @giedrius, as always you are a fount of knowledge! 
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Thank you both for the Kopicki attribution, and also for the accurate description of what (who) is depicted. Apparently I have had another coin with a saint's image, and I didn't know it! I think some medieval Malta coins also have this gruesome image. @giedrius, I also did not know that WCN has a search function. Thanks!
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