1909 Lincoln Cent Matte Proof No Vbd ..markers Are Matching

Chase007 , I understand.. I am new to coin collecting. What is disappointing to me is the majority of folks just follow whatever other people say..or what is in the Red Book. Dont get me wrong, I love my Red Book but if I see something I feel is an error..or different. I will ask or post what I found. Fact of the matter is I posted the article of the 1909 MPL die #2 discovery in this thread..who actually read it? BEFORE commenting?
Kevin Flynn is a Numismatist and Author as well as a die variety specialist. He wrote a book solely on matte proof Lincolns..among other books and publications in Coin World.
The coin community..IMO should always be on the look out for new varieties, regardless of my coin. And many are. Here is another article that was in PCGS news. I at least want people to know this variety exists.

https://www.PCGS.com/news/1909-matt...e-discovered

Have to say....I am leaning towards YES!

Will you be sending in for grading?

Actually, I would send this coin to ANACS. Why? Cost of grading, shipping, and, and.....Have to weigh the cost of grading versus value of coin.

More than likely, this will be a low grade 61/62 or PR55/58.

I am still on the fence - the bottom coin in the side by side rim picture, might not have square rims conducive to an early proof Lincoln.


ANACS would be very reasonable to confirm.

Here's my Two Cents...this is a great informative forum in which to get opinions from a very knowledgeable numismatic member base. However, everyone knows that without coin in hand it's quite hard to discern the true aspects of any given specimen, so everyone is having to base their opinions solely on the images of the coin provided by the OP. And therein lies the problem....there are just too many variables to consider when photographing coins. Like number of light sources used, white balance, angle of shot, etc. So I prefer high definition straight on images taken in Macro mode with a DSLR using a sole light source filtered through a single blank sheet of copy paper to eliminate glare. And from time to time we are fortunate enough to have a few well known published error/variety coin experts chime in to give us direction but what I'm seeing far too many times is certain members of this group literally killing a thread by posting authoritative responses to inquiries that all but prohibits further debate on the subject by other members without the appearance of being overtly confrontational. There have been several interesting threads in the past that I thought should have been debated further but sadly they just faded into the archives after one person perpetrated his opinion as final judgement. Not trying to be confrontational, just trying to point out the obvious elephant in the room....

Sorry, for the auto correct ..I meant to say Coop

Pretty strong evidence.

Thanks Coop! Another question I had regarding matte proofs.. Do they all have wire rims? And do regular business strike have wire rims from that time period?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Over 700 views and all convo stops... It's OK to disagree.. It's OK to agree.. They are all opinions. It's a shame people feel they can't speak their opinion because if they did... Their questions would no longer be answered.

And Coop.. At least put my coin and the other one at the same distance when comparing rims. Better yet show me how it is a business strike.

Chase, good grief, a bit dramatic.yes we value the opinions of experts.. but you can have an opinion too.

In case anyone missed the point of this discussion, it is questioning the new die variety found in 2010.(1909 matte proof) It does not have the same diagnostics of the others. It would be freakishly rare to own one, so I probably don't have one. But.. You all should check.. And look at the diagnostics I posted. The die chip at three o'clock. Is easy to spot.. The " fingerprints " is another diagnostic reference.
I was coming into the coin community to get away from politics and good old boy club. I would say if you feel strongly about your coin.. Match markers.. Send it in, when an answer is "case closed" without having the specimen in hand.. It's a lot of ego behind it. 98 percent on this forum are genuine, but fear giving their own opinion openly. I'm sure I will be ignored from now on.. Like what had happened since I questioned things, no worries #128159;just speak up ask questions...thats how we all learn. Love and Peace