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2018-P Roosevelt Dime With Severe Reverse Die Gouge, Polishing Or Grinding?

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I found this 2018p dime this past summer in pocket change. I usually only do Lincoln cents but thought you all might enjoy this one.
It is a pretty early die state with no clashes that I can see, so I'm not really sure why the mint would have hit it so hard with a polishing tool.
Hopefully the images are small enough to upload.
Thanks for looking. Cliff

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Wow, that is pretty cool. Perhaps this is the 'Ocean in Background' pattern piece:) Kinda looks like waves and a horizon.
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Great find! Good photos.
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Thanks for the comments , Susuman & aristarchus123. The images are done on my Android with a macro lens attached.
It was really a surprise as I don't generally look at clad.
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Quote:
I'm not really sure why the mint would have hit it so hard with a polishing tool.


It is my understanding that this is generally to remove clash damage to the dies.
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It is my understanding that this is generally to remove clash damage to the dies.


Thanks Spence but my bad as I should have been more specific.
I was not seeing any signs of a clash on the obv. or rev. of this particular coin and that was why I was wondering why the mint workers would have done it to this one, with no apparent need.
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Interesting, never know what surprises the Mint has for you.
Wonder how many more were minted before they buffed them out.
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Ok yes. When the dies clash (i.e. strike each other due to a lack of a planchet), part of the obv design is transferred to the rev and vice versa. Polishing the dies helps to remove these marks, but overpolishing can cause these scratches which are then imparted to all subsequently struck coins. You wouldn't see the die clash marks on your dime precisely because they were already removed. Maybe we are saying the same thing?

Here is the link to error-ref:

http://www.error-ref.com/heavy-die-scratches/
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Very interesting find!
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That's a keeper to me. That's some severe die abrasion showing on a coin.
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Nice one. Looks to be severe die polishing. Maybe trying to remove a clash like stated above. It's a keeper in my book!


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Very interesting find,I would 2x2 it for sure.
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Feeder finger damaged. That's what it looks like on a dime.
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Thanks to all for the replies. Definitely saved to a Saflip.
First, in regards to the possible clashing, I would have expected clashing, and therefore the polishing as well, to show up on both surfaces since the gouging is so deep. But there is no clash marks on the obverse which is why I ruled out clashing, maybe erroneously.
To my way of thinking, an early die state example like this one would not have needed polishing for maintenance purposes either, which made me wonder why they would have.

Coops reply seems logical. So does that mean the feeder finger is moving in a slight arc as it swings past the coining chamber since the abrasion is deeper in the middle and tapers off as it passes the East and West areas of the gouge?

Thanks to all for helping me to understand the mechanics.
(Hopefully the gray matter upstairs will retain it for more than 37.8 seconds! )
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I always like die polish lines. They can show up and surprise you sometimes.
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Not the same as die polishing.
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Die polishing is what they do to remove the problem with the damage to the die.
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