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1876 Trade Dollar-Grade Needed

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A guy unexpectedly brought this one to a Wendy's for me to look at. We were going to look at some other coins. So, it was definitely a surprise but I did not bring my tripod to place my iPhone on: blurred rev...

I will say, though, that the blurred reverse is in the same type of condition as the obverse. Hopefully, I can still get some useful grading opinions.

Finally, please say if it appears that the coin is fake or has been cleaned.


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Clearly a fake. Obvious because a genuine one has a period after the the word "fine" on the reverse.
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There is an example pictured in PCGS Photograde MS63, that does not have a a period after the word 'FINE'.

Could this be a fake as well?
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Could this be a fake as well?


Further research shows there are a few die marriages without the period. If this is one of them, then better pictures needed.

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I am not going to attempt a grade. This "coin" needs to be authenticated before proceeding.
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This "coin" needs to be authenticated


That's a good idea. Way too many fakes out there.
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I agree that it needs to be authenticated, but from the reverse picture (only), my gut feeling is that it is genuine.

Coin pictured is 1876. the MS63 Photograde is 1874, (that is, if their obv and rev pictures are of the same coin).

Best way is to get it slabbed and photographed, then ask us
"us vs TPG." Confirm with PCGS if their MS63 is a variety die.
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I would like to see a better photo of the reverse that is in focus, then I would provide opinion on authenticity and grade.
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My concern on the OP coin is the feathers in eagle's neck look like type two and arrow over 2 is type one. It could be the photo making the feathers look type two.
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The arrow over 2 is type 2
The arrow over 0 is type 1
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I look at it a little different:
Arrow over center of 2 is type two.
Arrow at the back of 2 is type one.

Anyway the arrow is in the type one position.
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I know nothing about these but... what's with the blank where folds should be above her foot, where the folds end round and then nothing? what's with the square block in the hay bale? where are the wheat stalks?
Maybe it's the image or strike or die polishing or ? Just comparing against some Heritage images.
I see enough to be suspicious, for what otherwise looks to be MS64 and maybe cleaned. $500-2000 coin a guy whips out in Wendy's isn't giving me a warm fuzzy. How well do you know him?
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Can we get clearer photos?
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Can we get clearer photos?


Sure, I hope this new reverse will now allow the grade.




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