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Okay I Know This Is A Token, But Is It Still A Penny?

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Hmmm look up some information on this seems to be uncommon in good grades, sadly this is damaged. Would like some more information about the mintage figures or the amount of circulation it may have seen.
oh weigh 16.74g

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They are a Token but AFAIK the large Coin was worth the equivalent to a Penny and the smaller one a half-Pence

Despite what Dealers and Book value's state its a very common Token and probably worth A$10-20 at best.
However I've seen them go for $50+ on ebay in the better grades,probably newcomers to Token's trying to fill holes in their collection.
Hope that helps until a specialist collector see's your Post.
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They are technically "advertising pieces", rather than "tokens". They were originally made for use in England, where "tokens" were illegal in the 1850s. As advertising pieces, they would have been given away in stores, rather than being used as money, to get around the legal ban on tokens. However, on hearing of the coin shortage in the Australian colonies and that tokens were not illegal there, Holloway realised his advertising medals could serve as substitute coins and so arranged for shipments of tokens to be sent out here. They presumably also saw limited circulation in other colonies where sterling coinage was scarce, such as Canada.

"Professor" Holloway was not actually a professor, but what we would today call a marketing genius, single-handedly turning his homemade pills and ointments into the "Coca-Cola of their day" throughout the British Empire - all without a single active ingredient. Chemical analysis of surviving pills show them to be made of sugar, beeswax, charcoal and other non-beneficial substances. He was selling the placebo effect.

The tokens were designed by Joseph Moore, the same Joseph Moore who had struck the bimetallic "model pennies" in the 1840s. We don't know which mint actually made them, though it is suspected they were struck by Heaton and Sons, Birmingham, which made numerous other tokens and medals designed by Moore. I don't think we know the total mintages, nor the total amounts that were officially and unofficially shipped to Australia. It is further complicated by some of these tokens being on the Dunbar when it went down off Sydney Heads in August 1857; those tokens would have been salvaged in the late 18th and early 19th centuries and never actually saw circulation here. Most of the badly damaged examples, such as yours, are likely from that shipwreck.
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Sap,while your here,do you know what happened to the 1931 Dropped 1 Indian Thread from about a Week ago?,i replied to a guy that claimed to have found one then the Thread just disappeared,all the Forums I've been on usually give a reason for deleting a Topic.
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Hi Basil, are you sure that the thread that you are thinking of wasn't over on ACF? You posted there a week ago on such a thread and if like me you enjoy both CCF and ACF you could get them muddled.
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Sap,while your here,do you know what happened to the 1931 Dropped 1 Indian Thread from about a Week ago?,i replied to a guy that claimed to have found one then the Thread just disappeared,all the Forums I've been on usually give a reason for deleting a Topic.

All I know is that it's been moved to the Deleted Threads archive, with the note "Removed at OPs request".
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Thanks Sap.


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Hi Basil, are you sure that the thread that you are thinking of wasn't over on ACF?


Hi Neal,it looks like the OP wanted it deleted for some reason,probably a mistaken ID when we asked for a Photo.

Going back to the Holloway'Token',my Brother reminded me Sydney Dealers had these by the bucketful in the 1960's,i think originally around a £1 and back to a $1 late 1960's,they are all out there somewhere.
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The 1960s sounds like about the right time for sea-salvaged tokens from the Dunbar to come onto the market. That was about the time that scuba diving was becoming trendy, and before laws were passed protecting shipwrecks as historic sites.
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