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1909 VDB Lincoln Wheat Cent - Unlisted Retained Cud - MS

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I try not to post too many Cuds, as I see a lot of them, but the two I am photographing for submission tonight are particularly nice coins so here is the second one to go along with the 1916-S rim Cud I posted a bit ago.

1909 VDB Lincoln Wheat cent - Retained Cud (unlisted, submitted)


1909-VDB-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Unlisted-Retained-Cud---MS
1909-VDB-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Unlisted-Retained-Cud---MS
1909-VDB-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Unlisted-Retained-Cud---MS
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Another great one tropicalbats, beautiful coin.
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Another incredible coin! Beautiful piece.

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Nice Retained Cud tropicalbats!
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How do you find all the Cuds you luck "bat"
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Grape, that is hard to answer. I find them in rolls, I find them in wheat bags, I find them in boxes of misc. error coins at coin dealers and coin shows, some folks tell me when they see them as cherrypicks on ebay, I buy error/variety lots and often there are some in those. They just keep landing in my lap and, for the most part, I have no complaints as I think they're pretty nifty. Maybe someday I'll count 'em up but have way over 100 of my finds listed on cuds-on-coins.com. The last one JC listed for me was CU-1C-1982-72 (LD) (Cu) and it's a huge thing not to have been found by now. There's still many, many to be found.
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So beautiful.
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That was a deep answer that was actually helpful tb. I was just trying to be punny, but I appreciate it.
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As of this morning JC has listed the Retained Cud as: RCD-1C-1909-12R V.D.B.

Thanks JC!
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Die crack, not a Retained Cud. Although a lot of people will call it one.
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JC listed it as a Retained Cud Conder101.
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Isn't a Retained Cud, where part of the die is missing, and the planchet gets struck anyhow, and that leaves a raised portion where the missing part of the die was ?
What I see, is a die crack, a Cud appears after that cracked portion of the die breaks away and a planchet gets struck ?

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Conder , it is the anvil die and it meets error-ref's conditions for horizontal displacement of a Retained Cud.
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=Retaine...ontal+offset
How is it not a Retained Cud ?
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it is the anvil die and it meets error-ref's conditions for horizontal displacement of a Retained Cud. How is it not a Retained Cud ?

Read the description closer. It takes vertical displacement and or horizontal offset to qualify. Thanks, Doug.

http://www.error-ref.com/?s=Retaine...ontal+offset

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In order to diagnose a Retained Cud, one needs to see vertical displacement and/or horizontal offset. Vertical displacement simply means that the die fragment sinks in below the level of the die face, leaving the coin's design sitting on a corresponding plateau. Horizontal offset means that the fragment slides along the break, leaving contiguous parts of the design out of alignment with each other on either side of the break.
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I read the and/or to qualify the die with only one of the displacements and it could be eather one.
Please consider that error ref has separate listings for horizontal and vertical displacement and both contain the wording and/or.
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=Retained+cuds+
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Definite Retained Cud. You can see the displacement of the metal. Nice find.
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