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1918 S Lincoln Wheat Cent - High Grade With Which Error - Opinions?

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I have had this coin for a couple weeks now. Been some discussions about exactly what is going on, but would like to hear more ideas so am posting it.

The coin is cleaned, so yes I know that and it's not really important. The question is: what caused the reverse to be a clean strike and the obverse to show all kinds of troubles?

1918-S Lincoln Wheat cent - which error - 3.22g, 19.2mm dia. Two obverse photos with different lighting.


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 Posted 02/25/2019  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a Die Crack that has morphed into a Interior Die Break I think. Your coin is in a Very Late Die State with severe Die Deterioration and die scratches, from polishing the die down to get rid of a Die Clash.
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I feel like it could almost be a capped die strike, or very bad Die Deterioration. The Die crack is making me lean away from a die cap though...
Best guess is Die Deterioration. Looks too sharp of a strike on the bust to be a capped die.

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02/25/2019 10:32 pm
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 Posted 02/25/2019  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could not the die crack actually be in a die cap, not the die?

And just how late a die stage could the coin be in and still hold that ear detail?
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02/25/2019 10:35 pm
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Since Die Deterioration starts from the rim in, I'm guessing that the Die Deterioration didn't quite reach the ear. So VLDS or later. (Not an expert, just my best guess) Not so sure about the Die crack though.

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02/25/2019 10:40 pm
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The obverse is VLDS, the reverse is earlier. My guess is the original reverse die failed and was replaced.
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But there was something happening back in the teens that showed die wear opposite the direction towards the rim. This happened on several years during the teens. Why? Not sure:
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The only era that had die wear towards the center and also towards the rim. (on some of these and other examples not showing the same die wear towards the center) Still a mystery to me. The only things that changed during that time period was the missing initials and the wide rims. (It may have been the wide rims that created this issue IMOHO)
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I agree with the contingent that has concluded that the obverse die exhibited a much greater degree of die wear than the reverse die. Evidently, the reverse die was switched out while the obverse die remained in service. The obverse die shows a base-of-bust die crack.
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@tropicalbats, I'm intrigued by LIBERTY and the area immediately below the ER of LIBERTY.

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Here are my questions:
1. Why are the RTY and back curve of the neck so much stronger than LIBE?
2. What is in the field below ER? Is this a thin metal scrap retained on the coin? Would this suggest a thin cap? Or possibly a very thin retained scrap that later peeled away?
3. The die crack appears to extend all the way through the rim on the right side, below the lapel. That said, the VDB seems fairly strong.
4. What caused the area of subsidence in front of the portrait, extending to an arc from the top hair curl to the "9" of the date? This would correspond with the T-T-C of CENT/STATES/AMERICA, all of which seem very slightly weaker than the balance of the reverse.

@coop, one clue to the die wear may be David Lange's comment that in 1915, die pair production averaged only 150,000 coins. To me, this suggests inferior steel quality, possibly combined with inferior die tempering. Your observation about the odd die wear patterns is spot on. Could the area of subsidence in front of the portrait at least partially explain the inward metal flow on this coin?

Just some stray thoughts.

Interesting coin, and an interesting glimpse into the early Lincoln production issues.
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Possible cause the central part of the die starts the moving of the metal and when it moved to the outer areas, the die was so worn, that the devices were distorted because of VLDS die wear.
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Sounds like a reasonable consensus is being arrived at here. An old die mated with a new die. It is certainly something seen on quite a number of coins, but was just thinking (hoping) there was more to this one. The whole dished out feel to the obverse reminded me very much of my struck throughs and well, just was hopeful. Still an interesting coin, just not what I was hoping for.

And Fortcollins, while there is a bit of what appears to be rippling under LIBERTY, what you are looking at is so light even when lit almost horizontal to the coin that I'm not sure I can say much about it. Yes there is what looks like slight, parallel, separated flakes running toward the rim under there, but just too soft to make anything of them.
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Is it possible the "reverse" die wear may be the result in the way they lapped the dies? Possibly using a single direction lap (maybe a rouge loaded buffing wheel) rather than a rotary lap?
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