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Why Don't Golden Dollars, Nickels, And Cents Have Reeded Edges?

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Always wondered this...nickels with reeded edges would be cool!
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I seem to recall that, perhaps among other reasons, reeded edges were intended to prevent the shaving of precious metal coins, which nickel and copper were not.
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Think Coinfrog nailed it.
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How about If the Cent ,Nickel and modern Dollar had reeded edges it would be a little difficult to tell them apart in your pocket or to a blind person .
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Yep.
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If I remember correctly. since coins are very close in size. the reeding was added for the blind.
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Nope. What Coinfrog said is correct. It was to prevent fraudulent removal of precious metal. Clad coins kept the reeding as matter of tradition. It can go away at any time, as in the case of the golden dollars. SBA had it, but they figured with them being gold they already gave up on tradition.
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Using different edges to try to differentiate denominations of similar-sized coins has a long tradition in America - even dating back to when coins were still made of precious metal. The silver 20 cent piece was given a plain edge, to help differentiate it from the quarter.

Of course, by the 1870s, the practice of fraudulently clipping coins had largely become extinct; silver coins retained their reeding largely out of tradition.

We see the "different denominations get different edges" principle carried to its logical conclusion in the euro coin series, where most denominations have a uniquely distinctive edge:
1 cent and 5 cent: plain
2 cent: plain with central groove
10 cent and 50 cent: coarse reeding or fine scalloping, depending on your point of view
20 cent: "Spanish Flower" (plain with regular widely-spaced indentations)
1 euro: interrupted reeding
2 euro: reeding with edge-lettering
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Several sources credit Isaac Newton with introducing the reeded edge as a measure to deter coin clipping, which was rampant in England at the time, during his tenure as Warden of The Royal Mint (1696-1727). (He also famously tracked down counterfeiters, who were then executed).
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He also famously tracked down counterfeiters, who were then executed.


Holy crap! Boy, they sure didn't mess around.

I know that the VAST majority of modern counterfeiting of classic coins happens overseas. Have there been any recent counterfeiters here in the United States that have been brought up on charges?
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Look up William Chaloner. Some sources say hanged, drawn and quartered. There's an entire book about it. "Newton and the Counterfeiter: The Unknown Detective Career of the World's Greatest Scientist". Newton successfully prosecuted 28 counterfeiters, and the punishment was death (it was "high treason" at the time), so I'm assuming that was the fate of most of them.

I am not aware of any recent high-profile prosecutions regarding coins. Everything I find involves currency.
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Closest thing I recall to modern prosecution for counterfeiting is the NORFED/Liberty Dollar case. Counterfeiting was mentioned in the warrant but pretty much everyone agrees that was a weak charge.
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Several sources credit Isaac Newton with introducing the reeded edge as a measure to deter coin clipping, which was rampant in England at the time, during his tenure as Warden of The Royal Mint (1696-1727).

Milled coinage predated Newton by almost 100 years and I known by 1650 they had the ability to apply lettered edges. I haven't found references that these early milled coins had reeded edges but I would not be surprised if they do.
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Yeah, not sure Condor, just quoting from the ol' internet. There was a related discussion here a couple years ago - http://goccf.com/t/268173.
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Possibly a Chicago mob still makes fake stuff but only large bills. Way to smart to waste time with coins.
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