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Looking For ID Help With A Tiny Silvered Bronze

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I found this curious little thing in a group of uncleaned Roman coins purchased from a seller in Serbia.

It is not Roman. From the bits of the lettering that survive I am thinking medieval. The coin is silvered bronze. It is very small and thin, just 11 mm. in diameter and weighing only .48 gram.

I don't know which side is the obverse or which is the reverse. There is some lettering on one side.

I am curious about all the tiny round holes in the silvering on the one side.

I'm not sure if there is enough here for anyone to ID, but thought I'd throw this challenging coin out to the group.

Thanks for any help.
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Yes, looks like gothic legends on both sides. On reverse, looks like SIS NV (or HV) at 1:00 to 5:00. Could it even be HVNGARIE starting at 4:00? Could fit with that part of the world.

I cant make out whether there is a small cross in the center, or a face, due to those barnacles (at least that's what they look like).

I think bronze would be unusual for coinage at that time, but I've been wrong before. Low silver billon can tarnish to quite a dark (even brownish) color.

(Edit: I think the second photo might have a double cross with REGIS HVNGARIE. You will find a few options in eddiediz' thread on Hungarian denars: http://goccf.com/t/323749)
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I agree the legend looks medieval but beyond that I can't see any identifying features, sorry I can't help.
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I think this is a coin of Ludwig I. The obverse has a Saracen head looking left and the reverse a cross. These are normally silver so I'm guessing this an irregular issue.
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TTerrier,

I think you nailed it with Ludwig I. This coin even accounts for the tiny circles on one side.

Thank you for your help.


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Design seems to fit reasonably well, but I don't understand the metal composition. These 14th century denars seem to be made from pretty good silver.
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Apparently a contemporary counterfeit.
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