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Are "Rainbow" Toned Silver Dollars Really This Popular?

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Are "rainbow" toned silver dollars really this popular?
I have lately been seeing many for sale on ebay such as:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1962-CANADA...AOSwcyVcqpvm

I don't know if the link will work or if I am allowed to put in a link to ebay.

They are PCGS graded, usually from 1958-1967 and often MS 63-64 or PL 64-66. Colours seem to range from pinks to bluish purple. They appear to be going from double to triple the price of non toned coins graded by reputable third party graders. What is the big attraction?
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The example that you provided is not what most would consider a premium toned coned.
However, coins that display vivid toning colors are deemed attractive by many buyers and therefore do sell for higher prices than their non-toned equivalents.
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I think maybe the grader and its graded PL-67. I don't think many PL-67 or better are graded, might be a hard grade to find
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Rainbow toned coins certainly have a fan base. Some people absolutely love them.
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Not sure about Canadian dollars but toned morgan & Peace dollars from the US carry premiums from 3x to 100x normal value for their colour
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And here is a 1958 MS63 that a week ago, went for close to $400 Canadian if you factor in the shipping.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/1958-CANADA...AOSwbaxcjtnk

You have to click on "view original item" to see it. It is a purplish-blue colour. I don't even know if these things tarnished naturally like this.
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I sure do love mine
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Keith12, is it worth a lot more than the un-toned version in same condition?
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Rainbow toned coins have a major problem.
Why?
All coins tone. That is, unless they are prevented from doing so.

The reason has to do with the fact that the toning is extremely delicate from a chemical point of view, and as a result, can be unstable over the long term.

You buy a really attractive rainbow toned coin, then a few months or years later, most of the beautiful color is gone. Such coins need to be completely sealed from the atmosphere, or they will loose their attraction.

The only way that it is possible to maintain a rainbow toning is to seal the coin in a very stable environment, such high integrity air tight sealed holder.
That form of protection may be at odds, when it comes to the way present and store all other coins in your collection.



There is always the temptation for the fraudster to carefully heat treat a blast white coin, to artificially create a beautiful rainbow toning, then try to sell it.
Rainbow toning is really a very mild form of corrosion.
Therein lies some of the reasons why I prefer original blast white coins in high MS grades.
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punman the toning alone probably bumps in a few hundred in value plus the reverse looks MS65
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There is always the temptation for the fraudster to carefully heat treat a blast white coin, to artificially create a beautiful rainbow toning, then try to sell it.


It's no where near that simple or easy. The rainbows have to have the right look for big premiums and the heat ones have a different look.

There's plenty of examples of beautifully toned coins that have remained the same for decades
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I guess if I found a "pretty" toned coin I could get it as an add on to my collection, but it would stand out like a sore thumb in my album and I would not like that. Original blast white coin is what I would be looking for.
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As beautiful as some toning looks, the term "toning" is a just a better sounding word than "tarnished" when selling these coins. So, as has been stated, these coins must be stored properly b/c the tarnishing will continue until the silver is dark.

As Basebal said, the artificial toning is a different look. You can google this topic and find places where the differences are described and shown. I did this quite some time ago but admit I forgot the details except to say I remember something about the colors being different or in different sequence than natural tarnishing (oops) toning

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What about toning from the use of liver of sulphur or hard boiled eggs? I've experimented with eggs out of curiosity, and found that the resuts varied a lot - from fairly intense rainbow effects all over a coin, to a small amount of patchy brownish areas, and no way to know in advance.
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The cliff notes condensed version on toning is that all that matters is the final look of it. Anyone who claims they can 100 percent say how some toning happened (short of being in a tightly controlled sealed mint bag) is over estimating their ability.

With that said, no it is not easy to replicate the looks that bring premiums. If it was so easy it would be happening everywhere and the premiums would erode.

There's specific looks that get the huge premiums. Just think of toning like art, anyone can like or dislike various looks of it but understand how the market views a certain look in general
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I love toned coins and will pay a premium for naturaly album toned coins. To me I would not buy anything from this seller. It apears to me these are artificaly toned. His discriptions also seem to suggest they are. It looks like buyers like them.
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