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Beyond that, the coin looks heavily cleaned and heat treated. The TPG's would have to add a new designation lol "heavily transmuted surfaces" |
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And it gone! Hopefully just prevented someone from making a very expensive mistake but I have a feeling it will be back.
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The 1795 dollar is still up though. And thank you to thq for pointing out the differences. I do now see one tip of the hair that is way off.
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Bedrock of the Community
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To those commenting about the strong chain, the chain was punched much deeper into the die than the peripheral lettering. The chain is the last thing to go on the chain cents. It is not unusual on a low grade chain to have just a shadow of the bust on the obverse most of the reverse lettering gone and still have a strong chain.
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That seller has a bunch of early dollars -- every single one of them looks fake to me. I could be wrong, but if I am right ebay should ban the seller permanently.  Edited by jimbucks
05/09/2019 5:38 pm
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Same seller sold this coin https://www.ebay.com/itm/292784915199 and while it's real, according to the feedback it was returned due to it being bent. "Flowing Draped Bust Dollar" is NOT a very ethical way to describe a draped bust dollar the flowing hair dollar is worth a lot more, and is a obvious different design. Semantics aside just a bait leading title. I don't buy into the story behind these coins, whether or not it's true or bull, doesn't change the fact that most of the coins sold seem real, just very questionable in the condition and quality he is describing them as. I would not do business with this person for that reason alone. Probably why he sells online, this way it's anonymous, and with the name Dokter and LottoLoser2020 on his profile, that doesn't inspire any confidence at all. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Even if ANY of these dollars is real, they've been tampered with. Cleaned and artificially toned. A person would be a fool to buy a $10,000 raw coin on ebay. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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05/09/2019 11:07 pm
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Quote:That seller has a bunch of early dollars -- every single one of them looks fake to me. I could be wrong, but if I am right ebay should ban the seller permanently. I am watching all these dollars. 2 of them have sold, both well over $1000. The others are being bid up, the 1795 is up to $3950. Oh, and the chain cent is back up - https://www.ebay.com/itm/1793-CHAIN...293082698687Breaks my heart to see people being scammed like this. I could have been one of them if not for this board, so thank you all for the vigilant eye. |
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If ebay removed the listing, and then seller puts it back up it seems either the seller is ignoring ebay rules OR the seller has good reason to believe the coin is genuine and has convinced ebay to allow the listing. With this seller, I would stay far away, and it will be interesting to see if the listing stays up. |
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and to top it off Andy the seller participates in shill bidding.....so good luck and don't bid high because the seller will bid you up to your high bid and....more.
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they can't shill bid you up unless they have a massive proxy shill bid. They probably do. They are there to get top dollar. These guys are professionals. |
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They aren't even trying to hide it; they have a bidder who raised the price on their so-called 1885 proof Indian cent today by $100 with 1446 bids on 301 items in the last 30 days with a 97% bidding activity with this seller. Avoid this seller like plague. Edited by DoctorBurnzy
05/11/2019 8:23 pm
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Quote:That seller has a bunch of early dollars -- every single one of them looks fake to me. I could be wrong, but if I am right ebay should ban the seller permanently. And .. sold. Those four plus the 1795 posted earlier went for: $4262, $1105, $1425, $2800, $9210. Amazing. |
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Who knows if they sold or not, for sure some shill bidding going on. I wouldn't buy anything off them for any price lol.
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United States
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Some observations re this seller: Their latest draped bust dollar ebay sale was last night. A 1796 Lg. Date/Sm. Ltrs that appears to be genuine, something like AU58 details (Repaired)- [maybe even MS det.]; sold for $11,050. https://www.ebay.com/itm/293086706091 It does not show up as a recent Heritage Auction pickup. The off center strike is similar to other TPG examples. These people are doing a vigorous business with many liberty Seated dimes selling just last night. I monitored for a couple of hours and did not notice any fakes, but a wide variety of grades mostly sniped as decent deals. If they are selling counterfeit bust dollars they are hidden in a large sales volume of normal exchanges. One problem with the 'old safe in a 200 yr. old store' claim is that it is a cinder block building, although they'd likely offer that it was remodeled. |
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