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Is This 1936 Cent A DDO ?

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Ok the last 1936 I submitted was a machine double. This one looks totally different. Could this be my first DDO ?
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 Posted 05/31/2019  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's Machine Doubling I think?
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I'm totally bummed. Thank You
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Do me a favor and take closeup pics of IN GOD WE and LIBERTY. You may have something here.
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 Posted 05/31/2019  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it looks an awful lot like DDO-013
http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20...6PDDO013.htm

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 Posted 05/31/2019  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Earle, you're thinking like me. That's why I want the other close up pics.
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That looks like a DDO.....
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I believe it to be but will hold off on a definitive yes or no until I see more close up pics.
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I think it looks an awful lot like DDO-013


No, read the description. DDO-013 is only the doubling on the 6. The doubling on TRUST is MD.

Definitely hard to tell with the angle the photos were taken at, but I think OPs coin is MD.
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I may very well be wrong, but me the numbers on the OPs coin appear wider than the pics on the VV website and have a "mushed" look as if they took a collective hit. So I disregarded the doubling (or apparent) doubling on the date's numbers.

Another thing is that to me the doubling on the U etc. at the VV website appear flat, shelflike, and actualy more like MD than the OPS coin! However, the profile and position of the doubling on both appears very much the same to me.

More pictures will definitely help.
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The coin could both have MD and be a DDO. On a circulated coin, that makes identification doubly difficult (pun intended).

If the coin is 1936 DDO-013, it is also 1936 DDR-003. Closer and sharper photos of EPU would help rule that one in or out, too.

One other possibility is 1936P-1DO-004 on coppercoins.com. While the OPs photos are blurry, I think I can see a possible die crack just west of VDB and a possible die gouge NE from the lower inside end of the bottom curl of the "C" in CENT. There is at least enough hint to beg for sharper photos of those areas, too.

EDIT: edited to clarify which curl of the "C" has the die gouge on the coppercoins.com possibility.
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Here's more pics. Hope these help. Fingers crossed.
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From the pics I still am thinking DDO-013. Your LIBERTY has been mushed a bit (impact over the years), so the openings in the letters are smaller, but to my eyes retain the identical forms. Your N in IGWT looks to be identical to my eyes. The G's doubled cross bar seems to be one on yours, but also flattened liked it was mushed into the normal G crossbar.has the same shape (but also flattened by a hit, to my eyes).

I would need this in hand for me make a definite ID, but as it sits, it looks like the DDO to my eyes. Go to the link, look at their pics, magnify yours, and see if they match.

I think some of the pics on VV look like MD also for this coin, but I think that's just camera angle and ligthing.
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Thanks. I'll take a close look at DDO-013 and try and compare.
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Again:

Read the description on DDO-013. The only doubling is on the 6.

DDO-013 cross references to 1DO-005, they are the same die. And 1DO-005 clearly has no doubling on TRUST. The doubling on TRUST pictured in DDO-013 is MD not hub doubling. No where does it say otherwise.

https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/die...ie_state=mds

OPs coin is not DDO-013 and is likely MD.
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The doubling on TRUST pictured in DDO-013 is MD not hub doubling. No where does it say otherwise.


I may be wrong, but I thought the pictures on VV are there if to show the actual elements with DDO. I thought before on this forum (and may be wrong) that there was a discussion to this affect. While the site does not say specifically anything about the doubling on the U to be DDO, it also does not specifically say it is MD either. The pics are there to help people ID true doubling, so I assumed that the pictures there show only true doubling.

Please know I am not being argumentative at all...although I have quite a bit of experience with DDOs and DDRs, and have done a lot of questioning here over the years and learning about MD vs. true DDs, I am always open to learning.

As to only doubling on the 6...I guess I did not say it well enough when I said I think the date has been mushed. The mushed and non-planar top surfaces did not make me think there was any doubling on the 1, 9, and 3. In fact if I did not know the 6 was supposed to be doubled on the DDO-013, I would not have seen the 6 as anything but damaged either.

I am very willing to be corrected
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