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Magnum Opus, Pro Or Con?

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 Posted 11/18/2019  01:29 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nathaniel2712 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I bought some ASE's that had the Magnum Opus on it for $399 each. 2016 PCGS MS70 30th anniversary. They said that they were low mintage of 100 of this group. What is your opinion on this. Plus I bought 10 of the 2019S PCGS PR70DCAM Silver eagle "Magnum Opus" and then the 2019 $25 Grizzly Bear Multifaceted High Relief PCGS PR70 1st day of issue, 1st strike, 1 of 100, 1 oz. .999 "Magnum Opus" $1,990 for 2 coins. These are all from the Legacy Collection. What is your opinion?
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My opinion is that you wasted a lot of money.
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to CCF. If you are buying the holders that coins come in then maybe you did ok? But if you are interested in the coins,then you overpaid IMHO. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...H_Complete=1
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"Magnum Opus" is just one of many custom labels used on PCGS coins; it does not indicate a coin of superior condition vs. others of the same grade or extreme rarity.

The PCGS web site states that 500 of the 1986 30th Anniversary ASEs were placed in holders with the Magnum Opus insert/label - it appears that only coins graded MS-70 were placed in the holders. A customer can request this; submitted coins that did not grade MS-70 may have been placed in different holders or returned to the customer raw.

PCGS has graded over 305,000 1986 ASEs. Of those, more than 205,000 have been assigned the grade MS-70. That works out to better than 2 of 3 getting the grade of MS-70 -- definitely not a rare coin. You can buy a 2016 MS-70 ASE in a regular PCGS holder for $35 (at the time I posted this there was a link to such a coin on the PCGS web site).

So, if you can find another collector who collects ASEs by labels you might be OK price-wise, but collectors of the coins (w/o regard to the label) will not pay $400 for such a common coin. It's just not worth it.

I'll let you do the homework on the other coins you purchased, but you are likely to find similar stories.



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A coin is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it on a given day. I would be more concerned with what the seller is representing. The seller seems to be justifying his or her HIGH price based on the premise that the Magnum Opus designation is the best of the best and superior to other coins in the same grade. If that were true I'm sure PCGS the grading company would support that claim on their website. I suggest the seller contacts PCGS directly and ask them if it is the BEST?
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I bought some ASE's that had the Magnum Opus on it for $399 each. 2016 PCGS MS70 30th anniversary. They said that they were low mintage of 100 of this group.

There were 37,701,500 2016 bullion ASE minted, not 100. PCGS may have packaged 100 with that particular label, but so what. There's nothing special about those coins. Unfortunately, you got ripped off. PCGS and whoever sold you the coins made big money. My opinion is that if you're trying to make money off of coins, you're more likely than not going to lose. Take it as a learning experience and move on. If you want to collect, learn to enjoy the coins and don't worry about the 3rd party grading. 3rd party grading does have its place, but common high grade modern coins isn't one of them.
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As was already mentioned mintage does not mean labels printed. Mintage of that 2016 is in the many millions

Common coin in a fancy label and a label that Joe Normal can't get by submitting coins soooooo a dealer created item..not my bag. You can't create a rarity by putting a common coin in a fancy holder. Perfect grade PCGS First Strike 2016 is less than $40...70 grade is 70 grade...not any more "perfect" because of the color of the label

Look at the number of PCGS labels for the latest 2019 S ERP..I believe the last count was around 30+. If that's YOUR bag then fine.

As far as the RCM $25 coin Canada has been selling low mintage coins for years and a BUNCH of them. Low mintage doesn't equal future value. They presently have coins available with mintages below 1000....and if you want a 1 kg gold coin that is available and has a mintage of 25 ($75,000 CDN)

My opinion ....
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A coin is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it on a given day.


This phrase really bugs me. Why? Because it is simply not true. A coin is actually worth what a knowledgeable collector is willing to pay a knowledgeable seller based on current market values.

Let's just say that someone has suddenly inherited some coins from a relative who has recently passed away. One of the coins is an 1893-S Morgan dollar in a PCGS XF45 holder. This person knows nothing about coins, so I offer them $200 for it. Let's say that they are really happy to get this amount for just a $1 coin. Does that mean this 1893-S Morgan in XF45 is worth only $200? Of course not. This is a 5-figure coin in XF45. It takes both parties being "in-the-know" to bring about a realized price that reflects its true value.

If my 2019-S ERP ASE comes back from PCGS with a signed COA, and someone says they are willing to pay me $3000 for it, will I take it? Of course not. It will be worth much more than that to other collectors. So, just because that person is "willing" to pay $3000 for it doesn't make it worth only $3000. The market has shown that this coin with a signed COA is 5 figures.
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Correct. A sale price on one day, either high or low, says nothing about the value of the coin. It is just what THAT buyer paid on THAT day.

There is a low feedback seller that is pre-selling NGC ERP 69's at $995 and $949...at least $300-400 below the present market price.....BIN's at his price..not market

I wouldn't touch them AT ALL.....


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