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1993 D LMC Possible Candidate For A New DDR.

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I found this 1993 D LMC a few days ago and have yet to see one in hand like it. The EPU is very thick as well as the designers initials and more importantly the word AMERICA. For comparisons sake I am including pics of a normal 1993 D LMC cent as well. I do not believe this is a product of DDD as there are no flow lines anywhere indicating this. Tell me what you think.
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The obverse die has been over polished a lot. Note how the devices are smaller. But the reverse looks like an EDS (fresh die). Thus the devices look so fresh. So note how clean and smooth the fields are. So the dies are in different die state/stages.
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Yes sir, now the question is, is it a candidate for being a DDR? I believe it is.
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It is a normal reverse before die wear/die polishing has happened to it. I would save it as an educational piece to show to a new collector. Your coin may have been on of the first few strikes. I'd keep it. But it is a normal EDS reverse.

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I made some side by sides. It does look a bit thicker:
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Note the centers of the closed devices. Is there anywhere showing a spread?
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I think that coop has already gave the answer to you explaining why it's not a DDR, and I believe his right
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I changed my original thought though. Still looking into this one.
Wexler does list some DDRs that have extra columns.
http://doubleddie.com/349901.html
Anything going on there?
Coppercoins list a few also. (Similar to the 1994 DDRs)
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The inside of the EPU lettering looks pretty small for there not to be something going on.
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Coop, I do apologize for not adding this photo earlier and you can see the extra thickness there as well in the letters C and A in AMERICA. As far as doubling in the column area, I see none of that. The design elements between the columns and the roof are thicker than that on a normal cent. Everything appears to be thicker on the right side of the memorial.
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Thank you for your response urman. Tropicalbats, maybe I have something here. The thickness in EPU was the very first thing that caught my eye.
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First off, good catch on this one Jim, I'm not sure I'd have noticed this. Second, would the working hypothesis be that this is a class 6 DD? Am I seeing correctly that the A and M of America are actually touching?
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Sure looks like a DDR. The devices are much thicker than they should be.
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This will be hard for me to find the wording but let me try...

When I look for doubled dies with extra thickness, I look for doubling that has direction. If I find there is a clear movement to the doubling, when there is extra thickness in a single direction, that usually means it's a doubled die. But when there's no movement, only vague extra thickness in multiple or all directions, that's usually Die Deterioration.

It appears like there is slight movement and direction to the extra thickness on your coin, the extra thickness is towards the rim. It's most notable on the first dot and how it is stretched to the northwest, the rim. But what really convinces me is the FG and how it's stretched towards the rim.

I think this has a fair shot at being a Class VI DDR.
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Thanks E&V and thank you tanman for your expert opinion. I'm also glad to know coop sees what I'm seeing too.
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I'm agreeing with what others have said about additional thickness, especially Tanman, and would like to ask about the right foot of the R in AMERICA.

Very often true doubling will show separation or a "flatness" to the tip of the right foot. These images seem to show this. Can you get any images of this area, with the light source from a different angle?
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Pete, there shows no separation that is visible. It's like the 1989 D 1dr-003, the closest devises that show a flatness is the U's in EPU, especially in the words PLURIBUS UNUM.
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I would like to see images of:
United, States of and AMERICA in full shots so I can make side by sides of these areas. Then I can make side by sides with normal devices to see how much larger these devices are. Then you could submit them to James Wiles to see what he thinks. It maybe minor in his first opinion, but I feel the side by sides would help him appreciate it more? Maybe a new listing. (Same also for One, Cent) On the 2004 DDR-001 I made one that helped me appreciate that was not just the EPU that was doubled:
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