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Im pretty sure I just found a 1951 doubled die obverse and thought I would share it with you guys, and get your opinions.   Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Definitely hard to tell due to condition, but the notching makes me think doubled die.
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There is a known DDO for the 1951 1-cent obverse. See the 70th edition of the Charlton Catalogue, the one with the small cent variety section. I do believe this is the DDO variety. Quite scarce, I have been hunting for one in AU grade or better for quite some time, with no success yet. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Does this 1 in the date look normal to you guys? At first the 5 I just assumed was Machine Doubling but look at the bottom of the 1... This is the reverse of the same coin..   Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Maybe it just my eyes, but I think your arrows should be on the west side of the five (straight stalk). The five and the one look to me to be moving in the same direction corresponding to the doubling seen under both digits.
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SPP-Ottawa, thank you for mentioning the 70th ed. Charlton Catalogue... I have older and newer, but not the 70th edition. I have seen your reference of it before and decided I should have it in my library. It took me a bit to find it, but I did and have already ordered it. Thanks again!  |
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Time for JohnWayne007 to update this thread. We now know there are two DDO variants for 1951: 1. the one listed in the 70th Edition Charlton Catalogue (variety section) 2. the one shown in this thread From about a year of hunting, #1 seems much more scarce than #2. PS - I updated the title to this thread. The question of whether this is real or not, is moot. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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And, while rummaging through my error inventory, look what I found!  The DDO with the split serifs on the E of DEI  Oh, but something is missing on this coin.    And, the dovetailed rims, to keep the error folks happy.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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fourmack - yes, and yours is a nice grade.
It is fairly common. I suspect that punch was used to sink a few working dies. I have found a couple nice ones in AU with lustre, and am still hunting for a nice mint state version.
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fourmack - yes, and yours is a nice grade. Thanks Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
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I looked through a roll of circulated 1951's and found three with notching. It's a neat looking coin!
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Quote: Time for JohnWayne007 to update this thread. We now know there are two DDO variants for 1951: 1. the one listed in the 70th Edition Charlton Catalogue (variety section) 2. the one shown in this thread From about a year of hunting, #1 seems much more scarce than #2. I Agree, I think it is time I update this thread a bit. I have reason to believe that there are actually 3 variants of DDO for 1951. The main two have been confirmed, I also agree that #1 is elusive and Scarce, #2 being less scarce but still fairly hard to find. #1 - The example shown in the 70th Edition Charlton, shows doubling in "GRATIA", "REX" and "HP" going in a Clockwise Direction. #2 - The example this post was originally about, shows doubling in "DEI" and "GRATIA" going in a Counter-Clockwise Direction. #3 - This is almost identical to #2, but the doubling is restricted to "DEI" only, and the spread that can be found on the bottom right tip of the "E" is smaller and not as spread apart going in a Counter-Clockwise Direction. I have NOT fully confirmed this yet due to the examples I had were pretty circulated, the only thing I have fully confirmed for #3 is the smaller spread on the "E" not being as severe as the spread on #2. The best way to tell if you have #2 or #3 if I am correct, is to check "GRATIA", specifically the bottom left-hand side of the "R" and the following "A" for splits like shown in the second photo below. If no splits are present or it shows no signs of doubling in "GRATIA" then you have #3. Here is one of the lesser grade examples I have of #2, but with a twist. The letters "TIA" in "GRATIA" look like they are on fire.    So long story short, make sure to check "GRATIA" after you are done checking "DEI" when looking for the DDO varieties on the 1951 small cent. I will update this thread with better, full photos in the next day or so. However, I will unfortunately not be able to include photos for the DDO shown in the 70th Edition Charlton since I do not own an example to photograph. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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The letters "TIA" in "GRATIA" look like they are on fire. That is what Hans Zoell called "mortar set", and you can easily find them on 1c coins from 1942 through to 1952. That is deterioration of the die, whereby the chromium plating is chipping off the fields next to the incuse devices on the dies. Sometimes it can be quite extreme... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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