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1913-S Lincoln Wheat Cent, VLDS...just To Mess With Coinfrog!

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Here we go again!

Picked this up at the local coin shop today for 15 bucks...

And yes, that is mint surfaces in my opinion, has an odd luster about it...lds for ya, needs a bath in some acetone.

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 Posted 12/31/2019  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool! Looks like an Old cleaning. It is LDS but I have one too (a bit stronger).

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 Posted 12/31/2019  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll get better pics after it takes a bath for a bit, sitting in some xylene right now. I'm positive it isn't cleaned, but I've been wrong before.

the pics arent quite color accurate.
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 Posted 12/31/2019  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have my opinions, but I'm TOTALLY staying out of this.
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 Posted 12/31/2019  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if you look closely, what I thought was a fingerprint on the obverse is actually die polish lines in front of Lincolns face as well.

Adding a few pics from slight angle changes to show the surface a bit better.

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 Posted 12/31/2019  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numis-Northerner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Hey coin, what grade are you?"

"I don't know, somewhere between VG details and MS-61."

"What? Send pics"
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I know right...gotta wonder how many coins we look at and think, dang too bad people packed that guy around and wore it out...when it could have come from the mint like that lol.
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Partake in the confusion Coinfrog!
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 Posted 01/01/2020  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think we can all agree, if a coin such as this hypothetically graded ms64, no one would pay ms64 prices for it when there are sharply struck varieties to chose from, exceptions being the 1922 no D line of dies where there are no EDS coins that lack the mintmark. Unless someone really wants a good educational piece on Die Deterioration.

Regardless, I find these coins quite interesting, as do many of you I would wager.
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I stayed out of the 22-D discussion earlier, but there's no way this one has mint luster despite the obverse LDS. I'd say VF-35 details from cleaning, and that's got to be a fingerprint on the obverse.
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F-12 details, cleaned

This is not an LDS coin. If you look at TRUST in the motto, you can see it's actually sharply struck. On an LDS coin, all the motto is affected. This coin was struck from grease filled and/or non-parallel dies. You can see the effect on the left wheat stalk on the reverse too. In that respect, it is interesting but most of what you're seeing (like the portrait) is wear.
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LDS example:


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@Zurie, as you can see the dark "fingerprint areas are raised slightly, I thought it was a fingerprint initially as well.
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@BadThad, is it possible they over-ground/over-polished the die, look at the parallel polish lines running down Lincolns face, wouldn't those be worn off if this was wear?
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Point number 2, would a Grease Filled Die have deep polish lines running through the grease filled portion of the die?
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Point number 3:
Circled in Red.
There is a raised die scratch or crack running S-SW from inside Lincoln's ear through the crease of the base of his head and to the back of his neck. Would this not be worn off?

Circled in Yellow.
Also Die scratches on the earlobe are parallel to the die scratches in the fold of the neck also appear on the earlobe and other areas of the ear.
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