ICCS Vs NGC Grading Results

Question: Did you send them to NGC still in their ICCS holders?
Opinion: If so, that could influence the NGC grading.

From limited experience I see Canadian grading standards tougher than US grading standards.
If that's correct you coins have a reasonable chance of coming back with higher grades.

As for Details grades, I don't have any experiences.
But refer to my opening question.

NGC , over grades Canadian coins, especially lower grades. Are the cross overs to sell, or to keep?

I think one thing that we all seem to miss is the grading philosophy of the companies are all
Somewhat different .
ICCS is a technical grader , with little regards for the subtleties of eye appeal , strike , etc.
In the last year or so anything with great eye appeal I have sent to NGC or ANACS .
What I am seeing is the standards of the US companies have tightened considerably !
We are doing way more World and US coins these days because the market for Canadian
is absolutely awful to be frank . For this reason We are using the US services a lot more than
before . Must say that I am more satisfied with the opinions of Both ANACS and NGC than
in the past , where both couldn't grade Canadian or World to save their souls.
The last Canadian batch I had graded by ICCS ( June 2019 ) was quite frankly all over the
road map !

DBM,

You're making some incorrect assumptions so let me educate you.

1. As you know from many of my previous posts here, I've been cross grading coins to NGC (and back) and have posted results here many times.
2. No secret about me being critical of ICCS's grading standards over the recent years. Inconsistent, lousy on high grade copper and high MS silver.
2. Not sure how you've determined that this batch would be profitable to any dealer. Given the largely even grades and NGC details, one can safely assume a loss (in this case).
3. Aside from some personal interest in grading differences, the US market offers a far bigger audience that wants US TPG graded coins which leads to more sales. The Canadian coin market is largely dismal.
4. I often send foreign coins to NGC and often include a few ICCS items.
5. I guess you'd prefer Canadian dealers to buy NGC/PCGS "details" coins and stuff them into ICCS holders without any designation (that never happens, lol).
6. I don't pick and chose which coins I post and don't hide the results. I thought I was being pretty transparent in my post.
7. Most Canadian coin dealers make their money from scrap and bullion sales. I am no different. Collectibles represent only about 20% of my revenue

Hope that clarifies a few things.

DBM,

Of course I am and that's no secret. Not sure why that has anything to do with it. Other than reduced grading rates, TPG dealerships offer no other benefits. I sell coins from all TPGs including ICCS. I also don't send all of my Canadian coins to NGC. High grade copper for example would likely be sent to PCGS. I also give ICCS thousands of dollars of grading business every year because the Canadian market wants it. None of that changes the problems as far as quality of grading with any of the outfits. They all face varying issues. The problem is that the Canadian market prays at the ICCS alter like it's the best thing since sliced bread. That might have been the case 10 years, it is not the case today. If no one speaks up, the problem will not improve. Secondly, clearly there are discrepancies between ICCS and the US TPGs, however in many cases they are exaggerated. Like I've mentioned many times, most silver ICCS coins in high MS grades are likely to come back demoted from an American TPG and PCGS can easily be considered the king of Canadian copper grading.

2 fees to the opinion-givers, plus tax, plus mailing costs ....... so can we assume the customer will now have $20 or more opinion-cost added into the dealers price ? Vive le raw (coin, that is).

Could you and SPP please clarify your comments? Are you saying they crossed them to ICCS because ICCS is less likely to give them "details" designations? I ask because I purchased one of these coins, and in-hand I've convinced myself that PCGS mistook die polish for "hairlines", and that they may have had a certain amount of "Cook bias" when grading. This is a George VI specimen half. I'm considering sending it to another TPG.