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1980 - 1 Cent Die Clash With Extra Set Of Denticles On Reverse

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 Posted 04/23/2020  7:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I came across this one yesterday and they have it on Coins and Canada and I seen a couple posts on here a while back but with no confirmation of cause so I was just curious if this is still considered one of those unexplained errors. As you can see there is an extra set of denticles on the reverse of the coin.

Full Obverse and Reverse, these photos don't do the coin any justice, I took them with my phone and my camera is really not that great.

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Die Clash

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Extra Rim Denticles

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 Posted 04/23/2020  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't understand what you mean by an extra set of denticles.
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 Posted 04/23/2020  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at the last 4 images of the rim, the Denticles on the rim Itself are not suppose to be there, the area should be a flat rim, but instead there is literally an extra set of Denticles..
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 Posted 04/24/2020  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's many posts related to this type of error on Numicanada (French side of CoinsandCanada).
Your coin is not the only year with that type of error.

It's complex to explain, but from that reference it seems that the problem comes from a weak strike. You can see some explanation here (in french).

http://www.numicanada.com/forum/vie...=9935#p71693

http://www.numicanada.com/forum/vie...4511#p105400
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 Posted 04/24/2020  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it's the signature of a collar clash, because the edge of this coin is smooth.
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collar die clash


Nope... 1-cent collar is smooth.

The most viable explanation I have heard is that this is a type of ejection doubling phenomena. From my own experience, you tend to see this on the "thin" side of the reverse with slightly mis-aligned hammer (reverse) dies (but still within tolerances of the RCM).

SP67 already commented on this, but you can find this on a whole handful of different years - it was never really anything I bothered to pay much attention to.
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Can't explain it either, I did notice that some of these look much more like beads then denticles or am I seeing things?
Close-up of the area I'm referring to from the pictures above.

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Based on the information I read in the links I gave in my previous message, the pressure was not sufficient during the strike to overfill the rim with metal . The metal flow follows the denticles geometry to give this signature. The denticles will be filled with metal before the rim, and the low pressure means there's not enough metal to produce a complete rim.

I'm sure this is much more complex, but this is my best guess for now.

What do you think
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Thank you for the replies guys, much appreciated. I have came across this a few times on other years like SPP-Ottawa pointed out and I knew it was probably a minor error but I could never wrap my head around the reason why it happens. Thank you for the links as well SP67, they shed some light on whats going on here.

This was one of those things that I keep seeing during my searches and finally got around to looking it to the "how and why" aspect.

Hounddog Bill, at first I thought the same thing as well, looked more like beads and not denticles but then I realized that there was not enough room on the rim to actually complete the denticles themselves which in return makes them look more like beads.
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Not a collar clash.
Not a result of insufficient pressure.
I concur with SPP-Ottawa and believe it's a type of ejection doubling affecting only the highest point of relief, the rim.
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