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Hi, First of all, I apologize if this is not the right forum I am looking for information like grade, whether it is cleaned, any comments on the marks etc. Any information/thought is most welcome. Thanks a lot.       |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Ekalabya:  to the CCF !1818 Half Crown: - EF*, slight wear on the high points of the design, more easily seen on the obverse. 1889 Crown: - Exactly the same grading* and comments. 1892 Half Crown: Good EF*, lightly cleaned. Would have made uncirculated, had it not been cleaned. * British grading system - (Sheldon grading best used for U.S. coins) In the CCF, the normal policy is to have a single thread for each coin to be graded, but I will forgive you for that with your very first post here.  I have an example of each type of the coins pictured, but none of them quite as nice as those seen here. |
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Agree with above - a stunning set of coins - lucky discovery. I specialise in Half Crowns and my examples of that era, are MUCH more worn. I think Sel's grading is a bit high though.
1818 Agree with - EF and no evidence of cleaning (Probably been in a coin cabinet for years)
1889 Crown - I would say gVF as there is some light wear and practially no lustre, it is still a very nice coin
1892 Half Crown - again I agree, some cleaning and plenty of scratches on Obverse (Wire brush?) - Black spot on shield suggests possible past PVC plastic storage. Condition would be EF, there is some definite wear on rim beads and especially by the crown.
UNC coins wouldhave no wear and a BLAZING lustre.
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Hi,
@sel_69l - Do apologize for this. I had no idea and probably I would have preferred separate threads as well. Won't happen again
@sel_69l and Princetane thanks both for your opinion.
Is there any way to figure out if 1818 Half Crown is a fake?
1892 Half Crown - I am a bit circumspect about the black mark. Not sure what it is. I believe if a coin is cleaned it is a no grade coin. If we ignore that bit can we grade it at EF with that black thing? If this is a reaction from PVC what should I do to stop anything happening to it any further?
I have some question regarding the storage of coins. Can you please guide me to the right forum?
Thanks once again.
Kind Regards,
Ek.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I can't argue with the grading discussions above. The 1889 Crown, because uncleaned, is far more pleasing to me.
I also would have concerns on the 1818 half crown regarding authenticity. There have been a large number of extremely high grade fakes floating around the market for the last 15 years - even London Coins were fooled by one. I think I see one or two of the telltale indicators of the copies, but I would need to go back into my archives to find out the full list.
One clear indicator would be the orientation of the obverse and reverse - are they both the same way up or opposite ways up? The fakes got this wrong!
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05/13/2020 06:49 am
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United Kingdom
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Thanks so much @PaddyB. Any further information will be much appreciated as well.
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United Kingdom
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OK - I was hoping you would respond with which orientation your coin is. If the obverse and reverse are the same way up, it is promising. If opposite ways up, it is definitely a fake. I checked into previous discussions on another forum, and as far as I can see the marks on yours do not line up with the known fakes, but that doesn't mean it is not a new version of fakery! Have you checked the weight and that it is made of silver? Where did it come from? (Usually if it is from a good auction house, that is a good sign but both DNW and London coins have got this one wrong before. This discussion on another forum gives some idea of how many of these fakes are around and how to spot them: http://www.predecimal.com/forum/top...inese-fakes/ |
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United Kingdom
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Hi PaddyB,
Thanks for the reply and info
The orientation is the same way up. I am not sure on the weight but it is silver (well, haven't spoken with a specialist).
Cheers
Ek.
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United Kingdom
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Well that is OK. I can't see anything clearly wrong with it, though the colour is a bit odd. You need to show it to a good dealer or auction house to be sure.
Have a read of the link I included above to get more ifo.
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New Member
United Kingdom
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Yes absolutely. That's a very useful link. Thanks a lot for that info. Take care.
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Pillar of the Community
Turkey
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I can agree with PaddyB -the colour on 1818 Halfcrown in a bit odd to me. I'd tend more to professionally cleaned than fake, but I also am aware that some modern fakes are very much deceiving. Can you get some detailed pictures of the 1818, maybe in 3x or 5 magnification?
I cannot argue with anyone's grading here as they are probably far more experienced with predecimal British coins. My personal opinion is;
I'd grade the Crown EF. It's a natural coin without lustre (I do not mind lustre as it's not very possible yo maintain it in 100+ years coins) and besides high edges, it looks like it has seen little circulation.
I would grade 1892 aEF with rough cleaning on heads side. Details are lovely though. Much better than the Jubilee head halfcrown I own.
Hope those help a bit.
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Pillar of the Community
Turkey
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One thing caught my eye on 1818. "A" on MAL PENSE seems to be unnaturally filled in the middle. What do you guys think?
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United Kingdom
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Thanks a lot @Molydeii Regarding 'A' - I have attached a pic of the 1818 half-crown coin which is graded at MS 62.  I don't know why, I feel the one in question is a fake. |
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Turkey
870 Posts |
I was sitting next to the halfcrowns I had ao I thought I could check the letter A in mine. elow are the 1819 example I own. Condition wise it's very inferior to yours. Pictures arent best but perhaps you can compare to letters with yours. I believe mine is guaranteed to be authentic because no one would bother to fake this coin in that condition. :-) there is a supposedly middle eastern privy mark on the cherk of the George on heads side. Yet, it cal be a filled die, a minor thing or just me seeing it wrong from the pictures. I am very far from being an expert in British coinage. Let's see what more experienced users will say.    |
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United Kingdom
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Molydeii, I honestly can't thank you enough. Thanks a lot.
On a different note - Do you store all your coins in Quadrum capsules or quadrum intercept capsules?
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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there is a supposedly middle eastern privy mark on the cherk of the George on heads side.
That's not a privy mark. It's possibly a "chopmark" - a mark used by bullion dealers and merchants in the Far East to show they were satisfied with the coin's authenticity. A chopmarked coin isn't necessarily genuine, the merchant could have been wrong, also, fake chopmarks on fake coins are known. |
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