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Clashing Or Damage?

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 Posted 11/07/2008  2:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add VAMit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just picked up this coin and not quite sure what to think about this. I was thinking it may be clashing or die break?
How common is something like this?
Clashing-Or-Damage?

I am leaning away from damage because there is a noticeable die gouge in the area.
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 Posted 11/08/2008  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a strike through to me.
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VAMIT, I would have to agree, although a strike through classicly has the die design on the area in question, this being in the field is hard to be sure. However after I look at it , it seems like Becky states, a strike through. Just my opinion, BE WELL...
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 Posted 11/08/2008  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at the clash die guide I don't see anything that would cause that in that area so I would agree it is probably a strike through. There is hair in that area from the Obverse but it wouldn't look like that, I have enclosed a picture of the clashed die chart so you can see what I am talking about
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 Posted 11/08/2008  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
bryan.... where did you find that image? Is there a site that has something like that for each denomination. That's a very helpful picture.
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 Posted 11/08/2008  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VAMit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone!
I had never seen something like that before. Now to really make a fool out of myself,
Would that be something like a planchet error? Is it a good or bad thing?

Bryan1315, where can I find one of those? That is great!
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 Posted 11/10/2008  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VAMit, is it raised or incuse ? No, this has nothing to do with the planchet. Don't remember where I purchased my clash chart, but a must have for begining vammers.
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Hi MorgansRmine
It is recessed. Also if it helps it's a 1887 P Near date with wing pin and clashed lip. The coin also shows possible over polishing at the back of the cap, the cap kinda runs into the field with no strike definition.
Pictures are coming soon. Also, since this wouldn't be a planchet error, would it be a VAM?
Thank you,
Zac
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Zac, there is no such thing as a Morgan or Peace dollar that isn't a VAM. Every coin produced fits a VAM number listed. Since the damage on your coin is incuse, I'll go along with the others, strike through. Post some more pictures and we'll figure out which VAM it is.
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Thanks MorgansRmine,
Sorry, I meant an odd/rare VAM, I know they are all VAMs.
I am thinking it may be a solid VAM 1F since it has the "Impaled Eagle" but as always I am open to suggestions.
Here is the die gouge wing...
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I did not see any other VAMs with the die gouge wing so 1F wins... I think...
And yes it has the "almost near" date
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bryan.... where did you find that image?

I took it, it is a Morgan Die Clash Gauge that was made by Terry J. Forfa/Gunther K. Wilckens around 2004 (by the date on the gauge) and not sure where you can get them at now
Here is a picture of the other side, you can turn each side in case it has a rotated reverse and clashed to see what part of the design left clash marks on the opposite side

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