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Valued Member
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Greetings all....I already posted this coin in a section to find out how this RCM sealed Maple got this crazy toning...damage or natural? Consensus being 1988 Maples are just prone to toning out of the Mint for some reason. I'm good with that. Now I'm just here to get a grading opinion by all that would like to give it a go. In-hand it looks to be in a high MS condition. Toning may be covering up something only a trained eye would see, but it is stunningly perfect IMO.  . I will be getting it graded, so we will see how the opinions pan out. Regardless of source of toning, this pretty lady with its brilliant Russet iridescent colors (iridescence not evident in pictures) is a stand out sample IMO. I am sure the TPG will look at it like any other coin and grade on technical merits, but I do believe they are swayed some by toning that stands out and adds to the coins overall eye appeal. We will find out. And, who would you send it to? PCGS or NGC? Here it is:      
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 United States
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I think it looks nice. My guess is that the holder it is in made it tone? My preference in order:PCGS-NGC-ANACS John1 
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Valued Member
 United States
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Hey John1. Good to hear from you. Ok. Got it. Makes sense. Maybe after 1988 they realized the composition of the holder needed to be adjusted? We will see what happens. I'm expecting a nice grade, though no high value here, except for maybe a collector of these toned Maples. The Canadian moderator on my other post gave me a link to one of those collectors, who does put a premium on these. But as with many of my coins I end up keeping. lol Hard to part with at times. Money not worth it in many cases. Meh. So we will see. Thx.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Nice piece, but personally I wouldn't recommend getting it graded by a TPG, I know with ASE and the US market it would be maybe worth it, but as for Canadian maples, the market for toned bullion pieces just aren't as high, and I don't think the value would justify the grading cost. However if you just want to get it graded for preservation or other reasons then that's different. Either way very interesting and fun.
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Canada
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i really like the look of that coin, in my opinion I wouldnt have it graded, you dont need to pay someone to tell you its a high grade silver round
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice autumn colored Maple Leaf.
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 United States
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Totally understand the grading question. Value, etc. But the preservation as I mentioned in my original post of this coin, in the General Questions area I think, is the more reasonable goal. I like to get them validated (not that this needs it, as is), but for no other reason than preference, as I think this one is unique and a stand out. Will look nice in a Slab.  lol And preservation. But again, I do understand. The MS grade will be good I know, but no matter what it is, value, if one wants to note that, is not going to be much value wise no matter the grade, even MS70, which I don't see happening. And as gidgit said, I don't need a TPG tell me this is a good coin, etc. Again, personal preference. More a curiosity question as posted. The possibility that maybe something I didn't know thrown out there and I get educated yet again by the Pillars and Bedrocks, imparting great wisdom to we Pebbles.  lol Hey, always learning. And always thankful for the insight folks. 
Edited by BuyGuns 05/21/2020 9:19 pm
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Valued Member
 United States
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Hello Sel_691...household cleaner wipe? You mean this was somehow removed from sealed RCM holder at minting, and then put back with a copied holder? If not, this has not been handled by anyone since minting in 1988. Hmmm. That would be an education for me. Lol. Anything is possible. Ok
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Canada
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You know this coin has a great tone as everyone has concluded, if you plan to sell it, probably raw as is best way to go, if you try to get max value by having PCGS grade it, you take a chance of it failing their sniffer test and having the coin body bagged.
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MS66 The grade is irrelevant here though, the interest and value of this coin is due to the beautiful toning and only the toning. It's still in its RCM PVC package. I'd leave it there. Doesn't get more original than that, and proves absolutely that AT is not at play,more so than the opinion of any TPG.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website
Edited by DBM 05/21/2020 10:00 pm
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Valued Member
 United States
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Looks like leaving it in RCM pack is beating out grading by a long shot. Ok. I have a lot of Maple Leaf's, Incuse, Anniversary's and others. But NONE like this one. Selling is probably off the table since it's not about money. Now if it could be a huge premium, meh, I may think about it, but that is not the case here. It's really a keeper save anything odd happens along the way. lol Doubt it. Cool conversation piece for sure. Very glad I found it. Oh, if anyone wondering....$32 bucks, free shipping, from that bastion of authentic coinage.....eBay. :-) Not too bad. About going rate for 1988 UNC Maple's. But of course, the look sold it. John100...Just curious how it could fail a sniffer test being sealed 32 years ago at the mint? Unless foul play back then, or along the way. I looked for a small hole where maybe someone injected something, but under light, scope, etc, did not see anything. And no breaks in the seal. Meh. Beginning to feel the leave it consensus. I can be swayed. All great points. 
Edited by BuyGuns 05/21/2020 11:41 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Someone could have artificially toned the coin and resealed it
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Valued Member
 United States
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OK John100. That's what I thought you meant. That is another reason I come here, because that was a thought of mine from the beginning. Like I said, anything is possible. But I was hoping someone would actually say definitively, looking at it: "hey knucklehead...you can stop your happy dance  , that's a re-do. Someone replaced it in a fake remanufactured RCM pack, because if you look at.....  ". Right there, they explain to me why it is basically a con job. But no one said that straight away. I will say if you go to my other post with this coin (I think I put it in General Questions for Not Intended For Circulation coins), the Canadian Moderator for this community said he knows a collector that loves these RCM toned coins. If I was interested because he does give a premium. Good to know. But the main point he made was the 1988 RCM sealed Maple's are known for toning in this manner. Implying something was up at that time at the Mint. John1 above suggested maybe it was the plastic holder itself causing the toning. I am inclined to go with that. They may have changed the formula for whatever these RCM holder's are made of after that. It was a First Year issue for these coins. So..... I also forgot to mention I have a sheet of ten 1993 Maples that are all still attached. I compared those RCM packs and saw zero difference. Just an FYI. But your suggestion is duly noted...and may be a fact if I can figure it out somehow. Appreciate the input. I think I wore this subject out. Lol. Thx to all.
Edited by BuyGuns 05/22/2020 02:14 am
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If you "must" have it slabbed,use ANACS because they charge the least. John1 
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If you look into a NCLT section of the Group of Seven coins, there is a member Canadian Coins that shows some of these coins toning to a gold color, so there are examples of RCM coins toning to goldish hues, but yours is nice. Bullion error coins, although rare, has very few collectors, great find and good luck !
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