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Looking For A Guide On How To Select Grading Services

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Hello,

Somewhat new to collecting. I would like to learn more about selecting a grading service, and all of the services each one offers.

I am aware the fees for each type of coin is different.

I am also very curious as to why I see coins selling for $5-$30 that are graded. Why would they get a coin graded if they know the final value is 5-30$? Did they just miscalculate the grade they thought they would receive? I see quite a bit of graded coins selling in that range.


I am looking for sources of information regarding which service to select and why I see coins selling for such low prices that have been graded.

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I just always thought that it was collectors who were slabbing for their own collection and didn't really care if they spent a bit more than the resale value. Otherwise perhaps if people are sending in 1000 coins at a time like a dealer, they might get a huge discount? Perhaps a bit of both really.
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I would say that's about the right order BStrauss3. I only use ANACS. I don't need top of the line TPG'ers. I'm just a hobbyist. ANACS is fine for me. Mostly just testing my non-professional grading skills. I like their costumer service and turn-a-round time.



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I am also very curious as to why I see coins selling for $5-$30 that are graded. Why would they get a coin graded if they know the final value is 5-30$? Did they just miscalculate the grade they thought they would receive? I see quite a bit of graded coins selling in that range.



Yes, why would people spend more for the slabbing then the coin is worth?


Keep in mind, for most people this is just a hobby. They would have starved years ago if they had to make a living out of coin collecting.
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I would agree with Bstraus.

As I've never slabbed any coins I can't say which one is better. As to the grade I've seen coins/notes from all that I question whether they even looked at the coin. In the end from ebay I buy slabbed from an LCS I rarely buy slabbed.

As to why people slab everything, just spend a few days on CFF, people will slab anything.
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The question you need to address is why you want the service to begin with. Are you someone who likes to collect slabs specifically? Are you someone looking to make the best profit off of selling them?

Unlike what it would seem people think because of the huge number of slabbed cins on ebay and other online sights, slabbing is a optional service and not a vital part of the hobby overall.
There are those who only want to collect slabbed coins and try to make the best registry sets online they can, but there are those who heed what is said here on CCF all the time,, "Buy the coin and not the slab."

One of our departed members, BiggFredd wrote about the start of "professional" coin grading services here:
http://goccf.com/t/130186

The facts are that you can take, for example, an MS65 Morgan from any grading company, break the coin out, resubmit it to the same company, and get a different grade assigned to it. Despite what people think, the grades assigned to the coins are not guaranteed and definitely are not based on anything scientific and verifiable.

Here are some of the not-hard-to-find actual results of current grading systems:
http://goccf.com/t/346174#2967242

These companies exist as a profit making business. They will find all sorts of ways to make a salable product for the masses. Their not using scientific methods (especially in this day and age where it would be practical) aids them in making money b/c the uncertainty of the process means there is always that chance they can get a coin graded higher, and hence (in some cases) the coin, though unchanged itself, can bring in a much higher profit when sold.

How slabs are sold at such low prices are that people, unknowingly and who do not do their homework as you are doing, see a shiny coin (knowing nothing of actual grading), think "shiny" means $$$$, and help the slabbing companies to profit off of legitimate public ignorance.

I personally know two old and respected (in their areas) dealers who were hired/trained by a grading company and quit b/c they said they did not want their own dealer reputations to be hurt if the actual facts of how the company was working vs. what they claimed was known.

Both dealers (independent of one another and in two separate geographic locations) told me that while employed they were always rushed to get as many coins done as they could. They graders were paid by how many coins they graded per day, and so the other graders wanted to go through them quickly. This is very unlike youtube videos by the companies showing a bunch of people sitting around a table discussing just one coin. Its no wonder things like slabs picture in the link above are not difficult to find if a person starts to look for them.

If you are a person who understands all of the (please verify it for yourself by doing the homework) above and still likes collecting slabbed coins, then go for it. No one can tell you how to have fun with your own money and hobby...or its no longer fun for you!

Just be smart, educated and realize there are a many things (I could go on) that show not all that glitters is gold where these companies are concerned.
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Choose the toughest grading company that provides the most conservative grading opinions.
That way, if you have a slabbed coin to sell, the prospective buyer is more likely accept that opinion without question.

The grading fees on any coin, in most cases, cannot be justified where the potential value is less than $100.
That is why it is imperative that every coin collector should learn to grade for himself.
Is is very common to find high MS coins that are less than $100 in value, which is the value range limit in which most collectors can afford to buy most of their coins.

That applies to me as well. Although some of my individual coins may be valued at multiple 100's or even 1000's each,
the vast bulk of my collection has coins valued at less than $20 or so, (actually none of my coins are slabbed).




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