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What Is The Best Way To Determine If A Coin Has Been Artificially Colored?

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I purchased an uncirculated 1909 VDB cent from an ebay seller because it had nice red coloring. I sent it to a Third Party Grader (NGC), which said that coin had been colored.

What is the best way of determining if a coin, especially non-clad coins (e.g., Lincoln pennies and recent small dollars (Sacagawea, Presidential, etc.)), have been artificially colored, even after I receive it?

Thank you in advance.
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If I remember right,the TPG's use a "sniffer machine"...you could buy one of those. Second option is many years of study.
3rd option,post pics here on CCF.
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What is a "sniffer machine"?
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What Is The Best Way To Determine If A Coin Has Been Artificially Colored?


with John1. Post it here first and ask.
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What is the best way of determining if a coin, especially silvery non-clad coins (e.g., Lincoln pennies and recent small dollars (Sacagawea, Presidential, etc.)), have been artificially colored,

Years of experience.
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Color is sometimes easy to hide, I like red copper coins but found that many are treated. I ended up getting brown MS/AU coins as the color is natural, the price is less and I like brown coins.
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When a seller on ebay has a few dozen 'toned' coins, they are definitely 'artificial' toned.
I've seen some dealers at coin shows with a whole table full of them. I just snicker and walk on by.
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 Posted 07/17/2020  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say this guy mess-produces them for sure!!

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What is a "sniffer machine"?

It is a device that detects certain chemicals on coins,like cleaners and re-toners.
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The coin sniffer, is it accurate and can it tell the difference between chemicals applied by the scurrilous and similar chemicals that might occur in the air of mining/smelting towns. Also do the residual chemicals from the artificial toning eventually evaporate or change (degrade, oxidize etc) such that after a few (many?) years the sniffer won't detect them?
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.I would say this guy mess-produces them for sure!!


I'm both disappointed and surprised that some of those straight graded.
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