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Valued Member
United States
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Got this one on ebay. Seller listed it for $20. I put it on the Watch List. Then seller offered it to me for $12, and I jumped on it. The doubling is wide, almost dramatic, and easily visible to the naked eye. I call this one a PDEDD - Pseudo-Design Element Doubled Die, if I may coin a term (pun intended). The doubling looks like a deliberate design element, but it isn't! The third photo is of a normal strike, for comparison.    |
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Very clear doubling to be sure!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This looks like severe Die Deterioration Doubling to me. Letters are doubled in all directions and the doubling doesn't match the shape of the lettering in some areas. However, this is definitely an interesting coin with a very extreme example of this Die Deterioration. |
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 United States
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Die Deterioration Doubling is something I've never heard of. I guess that means it's not a doubled die, though it sure looks like one to me. Some letters of the legend are clearly doubled to my eye. Doubling of the serifs, even, which is a clear characteristic of a legitimate doubled die. I've looked up some pictures of DDD, and it usually results in thickening or distortion. Can't find a single picture that resembles anything like this. Dunno. Would like to see more opinions on this one.
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United States
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Valued Member
United States
129 Posts |
"[ Die Deterioration Doubling] ... although, always strongest on the side toward the outside rim of the coin. In most instances, deterioration is noticed first on the very edge of the die, near and between the beading or teething, but seldom around the full circle." https://www.PCGS.com/news/die-deter...ommon-part-1To my admittedly untutored eye, that doesn't seem to be the case. ... I tried to get another close-up, but for some reason I'm having trouble with my camera. Sorry.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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From the PCGS article you quoted: [On DDD,] outlining is sometimes visible on both sides of a character." That's what I was referring to with "letters doubled in all directions" in my first post. Saying that Die Deterioration is always strongest on the side nearest the rim is flat out wrong. Again, look at the 1999 US Nickel pictured as an example of DDD in the link I posted. On the example, the doubling is strongest on the side opposite the rim. Also some of the other examples on the koinpro link I posted also show this. (Note: that koinpro site was made by the same person who wrote that PCGS article, Ken Potter) That quote was from a 1970 book on Canadian Varieties by Forbes and Zoell. Even Potter says in that article that we know more about this form of doubling today than they did back then. Also, it's important to mention that that book listed examples of Die Deterioration Doubling as a type of collectible doubling like doubled dies, that is a very unpopular stance nowadays. Every die will begin to deteriorate once it's been used long enough, but not every die will be a doubled die. |
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My first assessment still stands. I still believe this to be solely extreme Die Deterioration Doubling. Would be nice to get others' opinions on it though. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I have to agree with tanman. DDD |
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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Quote:My first assessment still stands. I still believe this to be solely extreme Die Deterioration Doubling. Would be nice to get others' opinions on it though. I agree |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Could we get a nice close up of the lettering? I currently am in the DDD camp as well. |
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Valued Member
United States
129 Posts |
I got a second opinion from a well-known expert on errors - didn't get his permission to use his name, but you can probably guess who it is. He confirms that this is, indeed, DDD, and the extreme doubling was caused by chrome-plated dies. He, himself, had been fooled by this sort of thing in years past. |
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