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New Member
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Can someone please help me identify if this is a real or fake I really appreciate it thank you. When I weighed it it says 1.01 ounces   |
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@cc771, first welcome to CCF. Second, on this thread and your other one, can you please also list the diameter and weight of these pieces (? Also, please state whether they are attracted to a magnet or not. Finally, please give us a little context for how you got these pieces. If real they are worth a substantial sum of money as you likely know.
Having that info will help us to assess what you have.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Most likely a modern made replica of a Yuan Shih Kai coin or medal from 1916.
My guess found in a basket of tourist pieces in some market or gift shop. Only because the color of your picture looks like brass. I do know color is greatly affected by lighting and photos of coins are often not very good.
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08/16/2020 9:25 pm
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New Member
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Thank you guys very much for taking out the your time and replying. Ok for the one on this thread the weight is 28.6 in grams and 1.01 in ounces. I don't know you to do the diameter, I tried measuring with pen and paper from one into the other the middle of it and I think it's 4 cm ( I'm also uploading some pictures of it the coin near a centimeter ruler I don't know if that will help I did that with the thickness as well) . I'm also going to add two more pictures just so we could have a better luck maybe it might help. My grandma died I got her coin collection just normal coins nothing special except a few that I have posted. She lived in Singapore But I believe travel around Asia a little bit.     |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I can tell if a coin is a fake by exam & testing in my shop.
But to say if a coin is genuine or fake based on pictures is iffy at best.
The size is about right if 4cm, but if 28.6g, it is a little bit too heavy. I first mis-read your scale held up the the coin. Try to apply the scale directly across the center of the coin.
And if really is a YSK dollar it should be silver and that's not hard to determine.
However, replicas are also made of silver and the coin is also heavy counterfeited. If genuine it is worth much money, but those are highly unlikely to be in the hands of the public.
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08/16/2020 9:43 pm
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Australia
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Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It didn't take long to find a seller in China with copy coins or replicas for sale anywhere from a dollar or two to even less than a dollar.
I did take the time for a closer look, so presuming the coin is Kann 663 without a sub-type and L&M 942 as the auction states, then I agree the upper and lower legends are not right.
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08/17/2020 12:42 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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where these coins ever in a paper bag or a envelope?
my guess is these are fake but like other have guess it too hard to be sure without closer examination, and you probably wan't to be quite sure, if you know genuinely that your grandma carried it from China (before 1941) or hid it somehow or obtain it from some good source before 80s. As replicas would outnumber genuine by a wide margin.
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New Member
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Thank you guys all so much. Yes she did have them wrapped in a paper bag and they're odd items. She has a If you are very rare Chinese coins like three for them I just don't understand why she would have bought these three for very rare Chinese coins if they were fake
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm not an authority on coin prices so others can tell better than I can.
I don't regard your three coins as very rare at all. I'd say one is very rare and valuable, one is available and affordable and the last one is common and not worth much money at all. However, they all look alike to me, and without needed information, they all could be the same size and if so, to me they all look like replicas.
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New Member
United States
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Ok so I bought a magnet made to detect brass and the coin is not magnetic it's not brass . Does this help at all?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No it doesn't help. It would be better to suspend a strong neodymium magnet and approach the magnet with the coin to see it is diamagnetic.
That would be a better clue.
I am curious to know what sort of magnet would detect brass?
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08/19/2020 11:46 pm
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Australia
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A counterfeit like this could be struck in nickel copper alloy and would be not magnetic at all.
As Sap has pointed out, this is a very rare coin in any condition. The details is just simply not sharp. Counterfeits like this has been produced more than decades and are being perfected daily.
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The quick easy purchase of N-52 Neodymium magnets by the OP would be useful because (say if it is copper-nickel) the coin would do one of two things: It would have no reaction at all, or it could be attracted. If silver, the reaction would bee diamagnetic. I use both suspended N-52 magnets as well as having a magnet slide. N-52 magnets are just part of a number of home tests for silver. Good coin silver behaves one way, while the typical alloys the fakers use do not behave the same way. It's a very fast indicator for good silver or not good silver. In this particular case I would not expect good silver. Most fakes are either strongly attracted or have no reaction at all. Good coin silver has a clearly diamagnetic reaction.
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Fake, and not a very well made one at that. Generally speaking, coins like this is so rare you almost never ever see them. The ones you see, are in general fake.
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