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Russia And Italy Good And Bad

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 Posted 08/23/2020  4:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Two coins from my collection of genuine coins and counterfeits.
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The pages don't transfer well so here are some close-ups of Russia highlighting the silver wearing off the high points of copper.
And Italy showing the counterfeit coin on the left below is better looking than the genuine on the right.
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08/24/2020 04:10 am
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For potential buyer at a coin show, these sort of fakes are difficult to expose for what they are,
if that individual does not carry a micrometer screw gauge and a scales accurate to .01 of a gram.

It is only when they are examined at home with proper equipment and a good quality loupe for visual comparison with genuine, and reference on a data base with known fakes that a potential fraud can be exposed.

Also is a worry that an honest dealer,
when buying for inventory, does these sorts of checks on every coin he buys. Such a policy would be impracticable.
Probably only worth doing on coins with a potential resale value of more than $1000, and leave authentication to lower valued coins to the third party graders.
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08/23/2020 8:56 pm
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@sel - Do you mean 0.1 of a gram? I would have thought .01 gram would be well within tolerence of production, especially for older coins, plus loss due to wear and tear although I don't have any experience in this area.
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Although there is a remedy allowance for Weight Tolerance,(depending on the coin, as nominated by the Mint),
most coin catalogs list the nominal weight in grams to 2 decimal places.

The coins illustrated in grams to 2 decimal places, which is what you would normally expect and hope to see, when giving a weight for discussion, as in this thread.
Weight Tolerances which may be only a small fraction of a gram, can then be more accurately compared with a coin under discussion.
In a discussion such as in this thread, it is the weight difference compared to genuine that is important, and not so much the total weight of the coin.
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I wonder who made a copy of 10 kopecks? As far as I know, the coin is inexpensive.
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My collection is a mix of coins made with intent to cheat one group or another.
The Russian coin was made to fool a merchant or someone in commerce.
So I doubt the present day catalog value would have any part of the equation.
The Italian coin may have been made to fool collectors.
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