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Canada's Other Bust & Harp Tokens

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 Posted 10/18/2020  10:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add daltonista to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Listed in Charlton as WE-5A and WE-5B, these two clock in to my collection of early 19th Century British tokens as Irish Non-Locals -- Withers 1980 and 1981. And if you're really old-school, they're also known as Breton 976.

The four markers that distinguish between the two are the size of the lettering in the legends; the shape of Wellington's nose; the arrangement of the locks of hair behind his earlobes; and the edge, which according to Withers is plain on 5A and grained on 5B. (Even after staring for ten minutes at the photos on page 152 of my Charlton 10th edition, I confess I can't tell which locks of hair are referred to there...but then Withers is my Bible.)

To further expand the type out to four varieties, each hairstyle is available in both coin and medal die rotation.

A side note on the history: Wellington was promoted to Field Marshal in June 1813, so despite the 1805 date on them, that's the earliest these tokens would have been minted. Beyond that, I got nothing.

Please jump in if you have any more information on these!

So here are WE-5A first, and then WE-5B:
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10/19/2020 09:19 am
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Very interesting, was unaware of these.
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These tokens are very interesting and continue to elude my collection! (In the right condition for the right price, that is) They seem scarcer than most people give them credit for; those with medal alignment especially so. As for more information, here goes ...

Their key characteristic is that they share the reverse die of regally-issued 1805 Irish halfpence struck at the Soho Mint of Birmingham, run by non other than Boulton and Watt.
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It is apparent that the die is in a old and rusted state by the time examples of Br 973 (WE-5) are struck, yet it outlasts two obverse dies.

The first mention of this token that I am aware of (at least with relation to Canadian Numismatics) is in Alfred Sandham's Coins, Tokens and Medals of the Dominion of Canada (1869). He lists it, among other Wellington tokens, in his "Miscellaneous and Doubtful" category.

McLachlan expounds on Sandham's listing in a 1902 article of the Canadian Antiquarian and Numismatic Journal titled "The Canadian Wellington Tokens", in which he groups by weight, and thus by percieved order of emission, what he views as "Canadian Wellingtons", ie. those struck with the purpose of circulation in Canada. About WE-5 he has this to say:
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Courteau's 1914 article "The Wellington Tokens Relating to Canada" in The American Journal of Numismatics, making no mention of McLachlan's article, comes to a similar conclusion of the Canadian origin of this token. In addition he makes the observation that is described in the original post, where Wellington's promotion to Field Marshall was no earlier than 1813, and thus that the token was struck much later than the 1805 date.

Strangely enough, neither McLachlan nor Courteau seem to make the connection that the reverse die is the same as that used for the regal Irish strikings of that date. In a response to Courteau's article in the November 1915 issue of The Numismatist, McLachlan reasons the date as follows:

"The date which they bear may be accounted for in this way. A rush order having been received by the coiners, and the reverse die having given out before any of this coinage had been struck, an old reverse die made for an Irish coinage of the date it bears was brought out and refurbished for a reverse for the Canadian token. So durable was this old die that it outlasted two new obverses."

I am not entirely sure what to make of McLachlan's response, but it does not appear that he recognized the 1805 reverse as a product of the Soho Mint. McLachlan's comment on the durability of the die is in line with the high quality of their products, and suggests that the designers of the obverse die (and strikers) of WE-5 were not of the same cailbre.

This implies that some other firm got ahold of the discarded Soho die in order to strike WE-5. A further connection made by Courteau (1914) is the use of the same obverse (the large letters WE-5A obverse) on a rare English medal presumably issued by the same firm. Below is an image from coinsandcanada.com
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That is the extent of what I have to offer, and I apologize for the length of my response! This post was a breath of fresh air that I very much needed!
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The latest catalog of Wellington Token was issued by Branko Marelic in 2012.

WE-5A, Co 1, Br 976, W 1981 is further cataloged as WEL-01 coinage with \\\\ edge, WEL-01a medal with \\\\ edge and WEL-01b plain edge. Scarcity ratings of R5, R7, R10 respectively.

WE-5B, Co 2, Br 976, W 1980 is Marelic's WEL-02 coinage with \\\\ edge and WEL-02a medal with \\\\ edge. Scarcity ratings of R7 for both.

My examples, WEL-01 and WEL-02 are in VG. Daltonista's examples look to be VF. Nice tokens.

The 1814 medal shown in Blargish' reply is Co 3 but not listed by Breton, Withers, or Charlton. Marelic has it as WEL-64 for copper and WEL-64a for brass. R10 and R9 respectively.
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the Wellington series has been on my list for a while, however life seems to have gotten in the way of many numismatic goals (not just for me)

i am pleased to see others enjoying these treasures
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