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@neil, first welcome to CCF. Second, I'm going to move this thread to the medieval s section of CFF so that we can get some more eyes on it. We have one person in particular (@eddiediz) who I'd really like to weigh in, but other's opinions like @tdz are also important to take into account. It make take several days, so keep checking this thread.
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Hello, thanks for the welcome. Just to add in, @tdz, the numista link you posted refers to the denars Stephen I issued later in his reign. The one that I posted is the denar he issued right after his coronation. It contains the letters: LANCEA REGIS, ie, the kings lance and REGIA CIVITAS, ie, kings city, I guess. The specimen I posted weighs 5.9 grams
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@neil, yes, this is a different (earlier) type than the link provided before. Still, the weight you give is far too high. Typical medieval denar mass is around 1 gram, sometimes a bit lower, sometimes up to 1.5 grams (the field of quality control had not yet been invented  ). This next link does not have a photo, but provides information on dimensions: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces173916.htmlEdited by tdziemia
11/01/2020 4:29 pm
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 to the community From the style of the letters and overall appearance of the coin, the letters are too modern looking in appearance compared to a genuine example. |
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This one is a bit of a mystery to me. I can only speak to the typography of the letter A and can confirm that the square top was in use in Hungary at this time on coins.
@neil, can you please confirm the weight, but also add the diameter of this piece? I see that this Denar was a bit larger than subsequent issues of Stephen I. Thx. If real, this coin would be attributed as Frynas H.1.1 and Huszar 2.
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I can only speak to the typography of the letter A and can confirm that the square top was in use in Hungary at this time on coins My comment on letter forms ... The later types in the reign of Stefan I have a blocky E without the curvature seen in this, and the form of the V is more like a triangle. These things (along with the mass) make me skeptical. Also, the Numista entry says there are only 2 known examples of this type. If correct, it makes this this at least a 5 figure (maybe six figure?) coin. Indeed, we need @eddiediz to weigh in. |
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There is an excellent book by David Rusker Titled: The Coins of Hungary. It's free and available for download as a PDF. Just type Coins of Hungary PDF and it should take you right to it.
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Hello everyone. Thanks for your inputs. The diameter is 18mm and the weight is 5.950 g. I agree it seems awfully heavy, but the lettering and damage looks pretty real. There also seems to be a 2014 replica, listed in numista, which weighs 3.5 g. 3000 of them were minted. An expert eye is indeed required in this case.
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Here is an article with a picture of the real coin. Last sold at auction for $48,000. https://coinweek.com/world-coins/co...gary-part-i/I am wrong about the shape of the letter E  , but in my opinion, @echizento's first response of yesterday has provided the answer. Edited by tdziemia
11/02/2020 09:21 am
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the Numista entry says there are only 2 known examples of this type. 40ish of this type were discovered in the late 60's, and the book I mentioned, has some info on heavier coins that were believed to be reproductions, though I can't get through the pay wall to see what they are actually talking about, That being said I am fairly sure this is a repro. |
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Thank you everybody for your kind responses. I'm fairly convinced that it is a reproduction. :)
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