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"Normal" Weight Loss For Silver In G/Ag Condition?

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Just wondering if there was a rule of thumb to figure that out... For example, if a Walking Liberty half was minted at 12.5 grams, is it reasonable to find AG-G grade coins in the 12.0 range? I assume it would probably vary by denomination, and even by design?

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Obviously seen commerce will place wear the surface of the coin. The only way I would suggest is put it on a scale. Interesting topic.
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I'd be leery of anything still identifiable as a coin which had lost more than, say, about 3-4% of its' mint weight. I know I start wondering about a Morgan which goes under 26 grams (26.73 normal).

And, yes, I guess it'll differ by design - higher-relief stuff could lost a lot more weight while remaining gradable.
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...if a Walking Liberty half was minted at 12.5 grams, is it reasonable to find AG-G grade coins in the 12.0 range?


In AG condition, a 12.2g half would be reasonable. When selling junk silver there is typically around 1.5% subtracted for wear. The mint is also allowed a slight tolerance under 12.5g "as struck".

As SuperDave said, if it doesn't weigh over 12.0g, you'd want to investigate further. That much wear should leave the (silver) coin unidentifiable.
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I weighed some heavily worn Barber quarters a few years back and found weights as low as about 5.85 grams. Since the initial weight is 6.25 grams, that represents a weight loss of up to 6% or so. Those coins were still identifiable for date and mint.
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You have to take the tolerance range into account as well. The tolerance for a half dollar is .259 grams so a brand new half dollar could weigh as low as 12.25 grams. I know I have seen figues eor at what point coins should be withdrawn from circulation for being underweight but I don't know where that information is. I suspect it can be found in Factional Money.
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It's not so much the height of the relief that makes a given low grade coin to have lost more weight than another coin as it is the size of the fields on a coin.

Large fields mean a relatively large amount of metal is pushed up and all this metal takes longer to wear away and will mean the coin is higher grade as it is wearing away.

There are a lot of factors that will affect not only the rate at which a coin wears but the amount of metal loss per cross sectional area. Even like coins will wear far differently based on strike quality since grade is largely determined by the detail that remains visible. Technically a lousy strike '27-S Buffalo nickel wore from unc straight to VF since they didn't have a full horn when they came off the die. It's even far worse with clads. Most of the early clad quarters didn't have separation between the tops of the periphery lettering and the rim. When they were no longer unc they were technically AG!! This means with almost no metal loss the coin passed to AG while the typical Barber coin has to lose about 4% of its weight to get to this level.

I usually figure heavily worn coins at 97% but this can vary. There have historically been coins in other countries which had to be recalled and recoined because too many had no design left.
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I've seen extremely low grade dimes lose up to 18% of their mass (not accounting for tolerances). It all depends on just how much it circulated.
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I spent quite a bit of time weighing worn US coins to answer this question for myself a few years ago. Generally the thinner the coin the greater the % weight loss (as mentioned in bq's comment on his tired dimes). Here are a few I've weighed

1811 AG half 12.47g -7.5%
1916S AG half 11.76g -5.9%
1840O AG quarter 6.22g -6.9%
1860S G half 11.83g -4.9%
1856S VG $5 7.98g -4.5%
1881cc G $1 25.28g -5.4%
1838 G quarter 6.28g -6.0%
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I graded this Barber FR-2 and it weighed 11.4 grams for a wear reduction of 9.1%
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