Photos Added! Help 1787 Mass Commonwealth Counterfeit/Fake Vs Real

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shantiom Pillar of the Community United States 522 Posts	Posted 12/25/2020 5:50 pm Well this was interesting. At family present exchange, sister in law knows I have jumped into the hobby with strong interest. So what was one of the presents? A bag of random coins from a family coin jar given to me in a ziplock bag. I look around and notice a copper piece that looks colonial. I pick it out and it's a 1787 Comm Mass One Cent, with arrows in the right talon. Luckily I brought my RedBook in case I could read up on some other issues. I was shocked that the coin in the condition it was in was priced at 70 to 100 thousand dollars. No way! This has to be counterfeit, I am not around my workbench and so these photos will do for now. Is this right thread to get insight on whether the coin is real or counterfeit? I conclude it's fake because the Indian is looking at the star, and the lines above the 1787 date are not the same, plus the talons are not designed the same. Edited by shantiom 12/25/2020 6:05 pm Report this Post to the Staff

Rothery Pillar of the Community 2145 Posts	Posted 12/25/2020 8:22 pm Yes, very fake. I couldn't get the Obverse to paste but this should be enough to compare. (Picture from a random Internet article) Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34396 Posts	Posted 12/25/2020 8:38 pm @shan, have you weighed this piece? If so, could you please post the weight to this thread? Thx. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
shantiom Pillar of the Community United States 522 Posts	Posted 12/25/2020 9:08 pm I will get a scale by Saturday, but here our additional pics. Looks like someone platted copper like surface onto a non-metallic solid (not magnetic). Report this Post to the Staff
lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1657 Posts	Posted 12/26/2020 04:32 am Definitely a fake. There are a lot of these fake Massachusetts coins lately, ebay has been over run with them. Report this Post to the Staff
shantiom Pillar of the Community United States 522 Posts	Posted 12/26/2020 1:17 pm Is there a market for fakes, assuming this is not a modern fake, but contemporary with the actual issue, is there a colonial copper club that could help? Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34396 Posts	Posted 12/26/2020 2:22 pm Quote: is there a colonial copper club that could help? Yes, although I think that several members also stop by here occasionally. Here is a link to C4: https://colonialcoins.org/about-c4/ "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
lcutler Pillar of the Community United States 1657 Posts	Posted 12/26/2020 4:54 pm Definitely not a contemporary counterfeit. They would have been made on a copper lightweight planchet, definitely not a base metal copper plated one. Report this Post to the Staff
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Photos Added! Help 1787 Mass Commonwealth Fake Vs Real