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Advice For A 1796 Draped Bust Large Cent

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 Posted 02/08/2021  11:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Xavocado to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

Due to help from members on this site I purchased my first "fancy" US coin. A beautiful 2.5 dollar gold Indian.

I have a desire to purchase this coin in the pictures. I just wondered if anyone here spots any red flags. I noticed the base of the E in Liberty looks oddly curved and the 1 in the date sits in very close to the curls of the hair. I am a novice but I do love American currency and this would be the pride of my collection.

Any advice on potential value or if it has been cleaned would be greatly appreciated. I don't have any friends that are interested in coins.

Thank you in advance, very grateful for the help.

Xavi
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 Posted 02/08/2021  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cant speak to the authenticity(although nothing screams fake to me) but the scratches and rim bumps will probably "details" the coin IMO.

Looks to be about VF details.

If this is your first purchase of higher end coins it might not be a bad idea to go for one that's been authenticated and graded by a TPG
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 Posted 02/08/2021  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Xavocado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Adam,

I am a true romantic and I picture a Tom Sawyer type character carrying this in his pocket.

Atleast with a graded coin I avoid being fooled.

Thank you for the tip
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 Posted 02/08/2021  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Despite the light scratches which would detail it, it's got nice VF sharpness. It looks like a genuine Sheldon-102 variety.
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 Posted 02/08/2021  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Xavocado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is such a beautiful coin. I am wondering if it is worth taking the gamble on it. I don't think I could afford a graded coin with such nice details.



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 Posted 02/08/2021  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Xavocado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Zurie, I will research the Sheldon Variety.
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In order to buy this series raw you have to be able to determine the variety. The coin appears to have a obverse 6 leans sharply left and a reverse of 1794. I can not find where these two dies were used together. If the 6 is a leaning left, the coin may be a counterfeit as the reverse of 1795 was only used with the leaning left 6.
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 Posted 02/08/2021  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date matches S-102, reverse of 94.
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Thank you Slider for your observation. From Zuries detective work, this picture of the Sheldon 2 Variety looks like a match to my rookie eyes. The tilt on the 6 matches. It is probably not helping that the 6 has also taken a good knock.

Either way, I am grateful for your tips and I will research further.

Thank you for your time



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 Posted 02/08/2021  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I want to see that 2.5 Indian. And I don't know where the photos came from but, the last thing you want to see is someone holding a coin with oily fingers
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 Posted 02/08/2021  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Xavocado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#128556; Yeah that non gloved hand is trully casual. I am sorry but you asked for it Keith. Here is my 2.5 1914d, Indian placed casually upon another greasy paw.... #128062;
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On the Sheldon 102, there is a die crack from the B to E and E to the hair that I am not seeing on the OP example and the bottom of the E is straight on the Sheldon example. I am a pass on the OP example with the hit on the 6, curved bottom of E and no die crack.
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I am a true romantic and I picture a Tom Sawyer type character carrying this in his pocket.


You could go with a coin from the 1830's and save yourself a few bucks! Tom Sawyer was set in the 1840's.
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He could have been carrying an old coin his grandfather gave to him #128524;

Cheers Slider, I am assuming die crack evidence will vary upon time of striking. The curved E weirds is also quite strange. Will continue the research.
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The die crack isn't required for S-102. Here's one without the obverse die crack. I agree the curve at the base of the E is a bit odd, but I suspect it's the result of a hit. I still think from the pictures, it looks genuine.

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Cheers Zurie, if I do end up pulling the trigger I will post some pictures of it as a thank you.
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