2016 Illinois Quarter Die Deterioration?

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Yorkish Valued Member United States 255 Posts	Posted 02/18/2021 7:18 pm Good evening CoinCommunity! Found this quarter in some pocket change, and I'm not sure what is going on with it. The issue can be seen in varying degrees on both sides of the coin, and my initial thought was a die clash because of the clear pattern on the front of the coin from under the U of UNITED to the Q in QUARTER, as well as around the top of the coin, and most noticeably from the end of the last A in AMERICA to the end of the R in DOLLAR, but I can't imagine anything from the reverse leaving a pattern like that. The effect is less pronounced on the reverse of the coin, but is present to the left of the rock. After studying it for a while, I am more inclined to say Die Deterioration of some kind, but I can't imagine how. I used the search function here on the forum but nothing like this came up. Does anyone have any idea what I'm looking at? Edited by Yorkish 02/18/2021 7:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff

td5173 Pillar of the Community United States 565 Posts	Posted 02/18/2021 7:42 pm Wow I have never seen anything like that. The dips on the side of the coin can't wait to see what others have to say. Strange very very strange Edited by td5173 02/18/2021 7:44 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Yorkish Valued Member United States 255 Posts	Posted 02/18/2021 8:59 pm Thanks! I'm waiting for coop and the gang at this point lol they always come to my rescue, and I'm grateful for it. I've learned a lot from everyone here. Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4404 Posts	Posted 02/18/2021 9:04 pm That is some exceptionally strong Die Deterioration. I don't think I have even seen that die wear pattern so strong. Report this Post to the Staff
ijn1944 Bedrock of the Community United States 19183 Posts	Posted 02/18/2021 9:19 pm I'm thinking extreme Die Deterioration also. Very 2x2 worthy. Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 02/19/2021 04:41 am Coop might want that pic for his files. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Yorkish Valued Member United States 255 Posts	Posted 02/19/2021 10:32 am He is welcome to it of course! I have no problem donating pictures to the coop lol Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/19/2021 5:12 pm Here are some overlays to see if the coin was damaged. (Looking opposite the incuse areas to see if the design is altered) Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/19/2021 5:18 pm The area by the motto matches the 'M' area on UNUM. That area looks damaged on the reverse on that area. On the other side by United to Quarter, the opposite side on near the 'I' on Illinois. Note the rim on that area is also damaged. So this coin was altered post strike. The images help to identify this was the case. Report this Post to the Staff
Yorkish Valued Member United States 255 Posts	Posted 02/20/2021 08:07 am I don't underatand how it could be altered, there's no damage to the coin that I can see. Not questioning your determination, just stating that I don't understand how you got there. Cool overlays though! Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4404 Posts	Posted 03/12/2021 09:29 am WAIT. I just figured out what this is. Soft Die: http://www.error-ref.com/soft-die-errors/ Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 03/12/2021 09:35 am If anything, the die was altered by die polishing. With these devices on this area being incuse on the coin, the dies devices would be raised. So when polishing happens, the dies were polished over the raised areas of the devices, thus weakening the devices that would be incuse on the coin. Thanks for the extra images, it shows that this happened all around the coins devices, not just on one area. Going back to the Obverse images, The two images of the Motto area on the right side of the obverse, in one image there appears to be a shadow, the other image doesn't show a shadow, but appears to be extreme die wear. Why? Not sure. As the overlay doesn't show any issues of anything clash affecting those areas of the coin. But there doesn't appear to be any hub doubling because that would occur into centers of the designs of both sides. So I'm still left with possible damage to this coin. CoopHome : How do incuse devices get thinned on coins? Edited by coop 03/12/2021 10:31 am Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4404 Posts	Posted 03/12/2021 10:03 am Coop, what do you think of it being a soft die? I strongly disagree with this being damage, fwiw. Edited by Tanman2001 03/12/2021 10:03 am Report this Post to the Staff
Big-Kingdom Pillar of the Community United States 1667 Posts	Posted 03/12/2021 10:04 am Tanman2001 has it right. soft die that wasn't hardened properly and deforming in use. Problem is the coin is circulated and the pictures are contrasted? B&W? maybe to show it easier, but it's unnatural for the coin appearance in this color scheme. I think the circulation is being misunderstood as die wear/deterioration. Anyways my 2 cents, I think Tanman2001 called it. Edited by Big-Kingdom 03/12/2021 10:09 am Report this Post to the Staff
Akkdayam Valued Member United States 149 Posts	Posted 03/12/2021 10:17 am I agree with tanman Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 03/12/2021 10:27 am For what it's worth, I think it is some kind of die issue. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
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