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New Member
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Afternoon All :-) So, I'm not sure this is the correct forum in here for this question. But I was wondering if anyone with a more experienced eye (basically everyone) could tell me whether I'm off here. Attached are two comparison photos. Left side is the picture posted by the auction I purchased the coins from and right side is a picture I took with phone of the actual coin. To me, these both look like different coins. The auction photos show pretty close FH (these are 1917 standing liberties). The coins I received looked worn in center of head. Though, on the -D there does seem to be the same cut mark in the upper left shield. Idk. photos of coins vs actual look is a constant problem for me (and likely others)... Guess looking for group or better educated consensus or opinion before I raise heck :-) All comments greatly appreciated!!   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They really don't look like the same coin. I do see some marks that check out, though.
I'm guessing the seller played around with the photography to make the coin look nicer than it really is. May we see the reverse?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Photos of the coin received really need to better match the lighting used for the 'auction' coin--in terms of lighting and resolution (estimated of course). I too see a few similar marks on both images. Pics of the reverse would be very welcome. Thanks.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The top left photo appears to be the same coin as in your top right photo based on the appearance of spots; one by the neck of liberty, and two near the rim at about 8 o'clock. However, there is detail on the liberty head in the auction photo that is not apparent in your phone photo. The question is, is this due to the quality of your photo? Can you take clearer photos?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The photos on the left are over exposed. You can tell the coin has a little wear. I would expect the coin to look like the photo on the right, even seeing the over exposed picture.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I have seen significant image variation in different pictures of other coins posted here in the CCF
Sellers image vs owners image of the same coin are probably those post most commonly posted.
The viewer has to bear this in mind and apply some thought effort when closely looking and assessing those images.
Different cameras, lighting conditions and distance from the camera lens can and do result in wide image variation, despite the fact that all pictures may be quite competent.
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New Member
 United States
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I really appreciate everyone's feedback! On kid duty tonight -- will try to get up reverse images later.
But I guess the general consensus I'm hearing is it is def plausible that these are the same coin
The camera game is frustrating to me. I totally get... I know its done... and I myself know how difficult it is to get a good pic myself when I post a coin up to sell.
I guess I was just really let down here. Both coins were described as Gem.. but what I was really interested in was the FH -- which I assessed to be present on the auction photos... but am really disappointed with. Live an learn -- expectations are often our own undoing.
Thanks all for your help
Edited by RollinCoins
04/06/2021 8:06 pm
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United States
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Well... that was the main lesson I suppose. Geez Louise. My apologies to all. I was so darn fixated on the FH...and by extension the obverse, that I didnt even think for a millisecond about comparing the reverse. On doing that, it is quite apparent that these are indeed the coins imaged by the auction. I just dont understand how they managed to get FH details in both the -S and -D images... that my naked eye cannot see   |
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United States
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Looking at the reverse images on right - my images
Do those both look like they were cleaned? on my images there is that def darker border towards the edges and around artifacts... does that suggest cleaning? Of course on auction images that is not apparent...or as apparent.
If anyone has any insight on how to gauge if a coin has been cleaned... or even appears to might have been cleaned I would really appreciate your comments. Most of my purchases last 9 months have all been online... and about 25-30% are all coming back from grading as 'cleaned' -- which is so very frustrating
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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For sure they are the same coin, but that doesn't rule out shenanigans. The obviously near FH on the auction photo vs the obviously worn (or not fully struck) head on the actual coin make me believe (no accusations) that some photo manipulation may have taken place. In any event, if it were me I'd send the coin back with the photo you took showing more wear/poorer strike than was shown in the auction photo. You may pay the penalty of being blocked by the seller, so you'll need to weigh this against the value of the coin, but the disappointment/failed expectations would make me want to send it back. Just my $0.02
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Clearly the same coins, and not obviously cleaned based on your photos. But from the auction pics I wouldn't have assumed FH and certainly not gem—the images are too overexposed to tell anything about the surfaces.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I still call shenanigans. I made an animated gif of the two heads, see below. I am not a SLQ guy, but is there a known design variety with different gap between "cowlicks"?  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm not convinced it was manipulated, it might just be lighting. It looks like the OP's pic had a low light source at about 10:00 that perhaps created an artifact. I think there are only supposed to be 2 locks of hair like in the auction house photo.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There only two locks of hair in both photos, but the upper lock is higher in the OP's photo. I am not sure it was manipulated either but there is a clear difference between the position of the hair locks between the two photos.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm looking at the 1 in the date. Looks like the same coin to me
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes, it is the same coin. There are spots and markers that match. But the question is if the image has been altered to "improve" the head so it would sell for more. Comparing the two it looks like the image may have been altered.
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