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Penny-Unknown Date - Full Brockage?

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Good morning, CCF. This is my first post on this forum. Thank you for having me.

Out of sheer luck...I found a penny with "full brockage"? while crafting a penny table top. I wanted all the pennies to be face up. I found the odd man pointing his Lincoln Memorial at me and shook my head. I went to turn him over...but he stuck his Lincoln Memorial at me again!

Turns out...this penny has a correctly printed (is it printed or minted or...) side and then a concave version on the other side. You can still see the outline of Lincoln's head on the concave side.

Could this be a real error? It's perfectly lined up with the correctly printed side. If you were to hold this penny between two fingers at the top and bottom and spin it around...the building is practically exactly the same...just concave.

It's a newer penny but I have no idea what year it could be. Sorry about the crappy cell phone photo...I will get a better picture later with my regular camera.

Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.
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Whoa, that looks like the real deal! I'm glad it didn't end up in a table. May we see the other side?
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Sure...again...I will get better photos shortly. I know these cell phone photos are junk.

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 Posted 04/19/2021  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatsinaname to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are better photos.

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 Posted 04/19/2021  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whatsinaname to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And...one more where you can see the outline of Lincoln's head.

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You can see examples of other types in the "brockages" section here: http://www.error-ref.com/part-vi-striking-errors/
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Thanks!

Question...how does this happen? I mean...it looks like this was done on a side that already had the head stamped...I'm so confused.
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. Great find.
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This happens when a previously struck coin is not ejected properly from the striking chamber, and The planchet that became this coin comes in soon after. The other coin blocked the obverse die and the two were struck at once. The reverse design of that coin was transferred onto the obverse side of this coin.
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Question...how does this happen? I mean...it looks like this was done on a side that already had the head stamped...I'm so confused.


It happens when a coin gets stuck to the die after it's struck. That coin's reverse (tails side) is already struck, and now blocks the obverse (heads) die. When another planchet comes in, the reverse is properly strike by the die, but instead of the obverse die, it's instead struck by the already struck reverse from the other coin.
Early brockages look like this, with very little distortion: http://www.error-ref.com/first-strike-brockages/
As the stuck coin keeps striking more, the soft metal spreads out and distorts the image: http://www.error-ref.com/mid-and-la...e-brockages/
Eventually the coin gets thin enough that the blocked die's image can start showing through too: http://www.error-ref.com/struck_thr...age_die_cap/

Edit: Adam_E beat me to it.
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I sent a message to Mike Diamond. I wanted to confirm the Stage for my educational files. Message back from Mike:

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Hi Coop.
This cent features a full, centered brockage. It's not an undistorted first-strike ("mirror") brockage. However, it's still an early-stage brockage.
Cheers,
Mike



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Definition: A brockage is an incuse, mirror-image version of the design. It is produced when a coin is struck into a planchet or another coin. A full brockage is one that covers the entire face (obverse or reverse). The coin carrying the brockage can be struck inside or outside the collar. The brockage can be complete or incomplete. The first impression of a coin is called a first-strike brockage. If the coin sticks to a die and becomes a die cap, it will strike additional planchets. These later impressions are called "early-stage", "mid-stage", and "late-stage" brockages. The sharpest, most complete first-strike brockages occur when both the coin (the "brockage-maker") and the planchet are confined by the collar. These "mirror brockages" are highly sought-after.
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Amazing error! Looks so clean in terms of the brockage.
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@wian, great coin you have there! Well done.
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Absolute beauty!! Tramendous find. Glad you didnt stick that to the table your making.
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