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Gorgeous 1851 Cent For Grading

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 Posted 04/24/2021  10:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I knew I had to snag it... I personally grade it at an AU-58, but what say others? Too bad this wasn't the famed blundered date, then yowza, it would have been incredible...


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 Posted 04/24/2021  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mushy denticles and other mushiness make me wonder if it is a copy. Color doesn't look right. Let's see what others think. Appears to have some doubling on the CENT on the reverse, I don't know if that's good or bad.
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 Posted 04/24/2021  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe not the same look BUT remember t his Topic?
http://goccf.com/t/396854#3395609
I do not believe the OP ever posted the reverse that was asked for!
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 Posted 04/25/2021  12:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a fake to me too. No way the coin could have that much detail on the high points of the devices and mushy, grainy, and incomplete denticles on the protected part of the coin.
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 Posted 04/25/2021  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks genuine to me.
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 Posted 04/25/2021  02:17 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Needs to be certified .
This looks suspiciously similar
to a Counterfeit 1851 I got nailed
Within the UK about 30 years ago .
Send it in !
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 Posted 04/25/2021  07:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting thoughts so far, I will have to look at all the known die states to see what Newcomb number it should get. I wonder if some of this weakness was caused by grease on the denticals and stars? If it is a fake, then it is a really good copy...
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 Posted 04/25/2021  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Put me in the genuine camp, but I would send the coin back to the seller for a refund. See below an 1851 NGC MS62 example with the same stars and denticles strike.
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coin does have some of the markers for N-24. Lump in correct place on N in cent on reverse. Also has some of the faint lines on the neck and hair buns on obverse. Also a faint crack at star 8. Denticles do look a bit suspicious though.
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 Posted 04/25/2021  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really guys? Fake? Denticles can look like that on large cents, just like Seated dimes and Half Dimes. It's real, either AU58 or MS63
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Even though the denticles look a bit odd I lean towards real also. Looks uncirculated on most of the coin but the stars being almost all flat also is odd for an uncirculated coin.
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AU details. something if off with the color. looks recolored line airbrushed. strange
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I myself am strongly leaning towards genuine, and I payed less than 50 bucks for it . To slider23s point, I want to actually get this authenticated by a TPG (real or not), since this is my highest grade now currently in my large cents collection. I knew that it had mushy denticles, but that looked like an incomplete strike to me. It to me has a subdued luster, but being 170 years old, it could have had episodes where the copper toned strangely.
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Looks genuine to me as well, although surface originality/ color look suspect. AU58, likely Details.
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I'll say genuine and AU-58.
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I'm with grape on this one...at least au58, but I'm leaning toward ms.

Get it slabbed.
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