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1986 Liberty Silver Dollar - Possible DDO?

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I have yet to stumble upon a DD coin and have mistakenly come across many coins that I thought were DD's but were actually MD's - I'm fairly new at coin collecting.

I appreciate anyone's expertise regarding the date and the line above the date that might reflect some doubling as well.

Also, the last two photos show the same line extending from the southwest rim corner below the Ellis Island building. The line starts out as one solid line and turns into 2-3 lines - either those are steps like those in the Jefferson nickel underneath Monticello or possibly doubling? I realize I could be way off here : )

Thank you in advance . . .

(*Ignore the time stamp, taken today)


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The shelf-like appearance of the doubling in each area suggests Mechanical Doubling vs. a doubled die to me.


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The notched appearance in the 1 and 6 make me believe is a Doubled die.
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This may turn out to be an interesting find so I figured I would respond just so I can return to this thread easier. I am curious what others have to say about this.
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It is my opinion that this my be a tripled die
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The date is incuse, right? If so, MD.
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I don't think the date itself is incuse, tho it looks like it, even in person. After putting the coin under the scope from many different angles, the date definitely appears raised under magnification.
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The date is not incuse.

I'm in the Machine Doubling camp on this one.
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If it is raised, then I beliebe it to be a minor DDO
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The date is raised. Here are a couple of additional pictures from the date and the G and D in 'GOD'. I think the letters posted below are showing slight MD? But the serif notches on the date (on the 1 especially) and the slight notches on the corners of the 9 and 6 (where the round loop meets the curved edge of the numbers) makes me think the date is DDO - but still researching.


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...and the date "1986" incused on the bottom of the coin.


https://web.archive.org/web/20090519211803/https://moderncommemoratives.com/19...lver-dollar/

These links don't seem to work.
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I don't see the quote you provided on the hyperlink in your post. Where can I find that?

Maybe I don't understand 'incuse' with regards to coins. I thought that meant the date would be stamped underneath the surface of the coin. Here is an odd angle of the date showing the date being raised off the surface. Is this still incuse?

Thanks for everyone's expertise, still learning...


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I copied the quote into Google and found the forum where this was mentioned:

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/19...post-1024415

A user posted the same quote about the date being incused and attached the source link where they retrieved the information (from the cointalk thread hyperlinked above).

However, if you go to the same source link now, the sentence has changed to the following:


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The inscriptions include "Liberty", "In God We Trust", and the date "1986". The obverse was designed by Edgar Z. Steever IV.


Maybe this means the website initially said the date was incuse but was incorrect and changed the wording at a later date?
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Apparently webarchive links don't really work on here.

I can't get any perspective from your pics. But this is what I'm seeing from other images:

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Is there a picture angle I can take to help identify this? The solid grey area where the date is located is lower/slightly below the impressions of the Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island that lie above it (demarcated by the line that separates the bottom of the Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island and the date) - maybe that caused the light glare you are referring to? Again, I'm a novice here, just throwing ideas out there : )
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