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I have difficulties deciding if this is an Obv1 or obv 2 and Small W or large please help Thank you H  |
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Super hard to tell - is it an 1898? If so, my take is large W which should mean that it's obv. 1 as I don't think there's a large W, obv 1.
Also, Obv 2 looks a little more puckered up and kissy I think?
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it definitely is 1898.
there is no need to post the rev side.
Edited by 47P7
06/22/2021 9:40 pm
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OBV1
Since this is the grading section we do need to see both sides in order to give an informed opinion.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I don't think you can tell this is a 1898 just by looking at the Obverse. There are other years with the same obverse.
Its def a large W variety, and somewhere in the Very Good range, I think.
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Deductible
what do you base your suggestion of a large W on?
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because the small W version has a much smaller W
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The small/big W is a pretty easy distinction to make - once you've seen it you'll never lose it. Personally, I still struggle with obv 1/2 - there's no gestalt level recognition - you have to look carefully at the eyelid and the mouth areas to make the distinction. And on a worn coin it just gets harder.
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DBMWould you please be so kind and explain as to WHY the rev side is needed to determine something which can ONLY be seen on the OBverse side? I did not ask for grading this coin. No need for that. Deductibleyour answer is rather vague and does not explain much. Silver101As I said, it is 1898 and nothing else. that year had the following markers referring to the Wsmall W
large W
large W over small W
to determine obv 1 or obv two, the following markers are defining this: "do the top 4 laurel leaves enter the band at any point or not?I have consulted with Barry Borsellini's CD and am still not much wiser. (with permission 2015) here are Barries two and my images. 
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06/24/2021 10:37 am
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It's a large W, obverse 1.
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I did not ask for grading this coin. No need for that. Yes there was a need, you have this posted in the Grading Section so we have to assume you are looking for a grade along with your question so both sides are required. Edited by JimmyD
06/24/2021 3:30 pm
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Ok JimmyD, see your point, but
where should I have posted it?
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Seeing that you were looking for a variety, you could have posted it in the "Canadian Variety and Error Coins" Forum
Edited by JimmyD
06/24/2021 5:19 pm
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BTW - curious to know what people think about the Charlton description of obv 1/2 which states "top 4 laurel leaves enter the band at any point or not". I have several of the 1898 incl all three varieties and can't see that distinction. I look at the eye and the mouth of the queen.....
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Charlton's description of the obverses of many Victorian coins is often confusing and inadequate.
Some markers cannot be mentioned by Charlton's for copyright reasons, for others they just rehash the same old hooey.
@Silver101 disregard the laurel leaves and use the upper lip and eye line if that works for you, those markers are valid and easy to distinguish. Also note that OBV1 has a slightly more pronounced double chin. There are other markers as well.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Some markers cannot be mentioned by Charlton's for copyright reasons, for others they just rehash the same old hooey. Why? What is copyrightable about an observation? |
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