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Thoughts On This 1921 Morgan

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It came in this suede snapcase, and the details and denticles run deep compared to 1921 pieces which are usually pretty flat. I don't know if it's been tampered with or why it looks like this, but it weighs out okay. What are your thoughts?


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Looks like a cleaned mid-AU.
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Maybe just the photos but looks smaller to me. And it does have that Made in China color to it
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If I had to make a call either way, I would lean towards it being counterfeit.
Let's see what our Morgan experts say
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Yeah I thought it was counterfeit at first, but it passes the size/weight/ring test so I figured it was altered in some way to give it that charcoal look.
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Looks genuine to me. It was cleaned and artificially toned so it gets that "I was made in China look".
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It looks like whoever did it was trying to mimic a "sandblasted antique" finish found on 1921 Peace dollar specimens, but I think it looks pretty cool!
They get an A for effort!
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Question for Stephan-P, are the two coins pictured the same size (width)? Your photos may be introducing the 'illusion' that one coin is smaller than the other.
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ijn1944 Yeah, fits snug as a bug in the same case.


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The denticles are off on the coin. The reverse has the 21 features of larger stars, flat breast, straight arrow and looks like a 21 except for the denticles. On the obverse the face features look off for a 21. Can you get a close up of the date and the denticles in the same photo?
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It does look a bit off, but can't give any specific diagnostic that would point to counterfeit. Definitely altered surfaces on a common date. As long as it's silver, it would pretty much carry the same small premium whether it's genuine or a decent counterfeit, IMO
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Looks like someones grandmother owned it and cleaned it with the silver flatware..
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Well, it looks like a fake to me, 99% sure it is. Is it even silver, has a look of pewter or pot metal. I'd get rid of it, it looks evil.
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It looks real to me. Hard to imitate that reeded edge mark driven into the cheek. It looks like it was chemically blackened/tarnished, maybe with a reduced sulfur compound. Then the high points and the fields were burnished. It creates the dramatic look of a counterfeit.

It's worth melt.
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What is the thickness? Can you post a photo of the rim/reeding? It's certainly a low value piece either way.
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Thq - that's exactly what I needed to throw this sucker back into the wild! (for melt value of course) I go through a lot of coins with the occasional counterfeit, and knew this one was real but it's good for me to know how it came to be, or if anyone had seen something similar.
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